The world isn't ready for your cussing!

The problem with cussing/cursing/swearing is the fact that it's still not widely accepted as appropriate (generally in that North American place most of you live in.)
There's also the cultural differences, differences with parents, differences in language, etc. Where I live swearing is accepted (unless you count like 60+ year olds), but we also tell people to behave themselves. The differences lie with swearing in moderation and swearing in a non-rude/inappropriate context. (say "a shit ton," "a bad-ass," or "damnit")

What I do think is that it's a parent's responsibility to keep a child from seeing such things. Because if they don't see it here, they'll see it somewhere else. Nothing we can do about that. In fact, learning how to "swear properly" might even be good for their social learning progress. (knowing when something is inappropriate to say makes all the difference for a kid later when he's a teenager or even an adult.)
I agree that some swears should be used freely. BUT, they should also be kept civil and appropriate. The occasional "shit," "damn," or "ass" shouldn't be an issue. It's the parent's responsibility to teach their children the rights from the wrongs. If a child learns a swear because of this server then a parent should teach them how [not] to use it.

My stance on this is: Swearing should be allowed as long as it's civil and appropriate.

However, the problem with this is the fact that staff doesn't have clear guidelines on what's appropriate or civil and what's not appropriate or civil. Meaning each staff member will react different to swear words. One may think it's fine and dandy, and the other might freak out and warn. This is because, as I've said in the first paragraph; there are differences in culture, differences in how someone's raised, and differences in languages for everyone.

TL;DR: Cultural, parental and lingual differences between people prevent the server from implementing a [civil] swearing policy, so it gets banned altogether. And parents should teach their kids about swearing, we shouldn't need to prevent the kids from seeing it.

 

I could understand you arguing that some swearing should be allowed on some reasons, however it is quite frankly ridiculous how you keep referring to how you need to be able to swear to communicate something as effectively as without it.

 

Yes around my own age group and group of friends (who are my age) i do have a tendency to sometimes swear in my vocabulary,

But when out in public and around younger or older people, i can control myself and speak politely and put my point across just as well using a non swearing vocabulary.
It really isnt that hard.

Your saying you should be allowed to talk how you want wherever you want essentially. So you'd talk to your friends like you would to your boss? or at a interview? I dont think so. Your capable to not swear, so you dont have to.

 

I mean, we're talking to our friends on ECC. Our bosses would be mods? then make it so we can't cuss when talking to mods or something

 

Which is fine, I believe we were talking about in public though.

 

You can cuss to your friends in /pm and /msg because your in friends, hen in global and vip etc is a different story.

 

I'm sure most people can have a normal conversation without the need to swear... I know I can, -1

 

Knowing this, I feel only certain words should be allowed in /ch g and such.

 

-1 if all you know how to do it swear to express yourself then you need to learn some other vocabulary

 

Also shows your vocabulary prevents you from expressing yourself in an appropriate way. Not to take a personal stab or anything, but maybe you should adjust to rules rather than make them around your insufficiency

 

I'm not exactly sure what stance I take on this but I just wanted to point out that it almost seems like you are avoiding solutions to your "difficulty in communicating clearly". Why can't you say "BS" or "bullcrap" instead? It means the exact same thing.

 

Knears, it looks like in your comments so far, you're cussing, just for the sake of cussing. That's what appears like, anyway.

I don't cuss myself, Irl or ingame. Yes, most of the people around me cuss, but it doesn't make it "right" or "cool." I'm fine without cussing myself, cuz there's plenty of alternate words that are much less harsh, i.e. poop, dang, and the like.

There's 9- and 10-year-olds on this server who may not even know cuss words. Like dewsy said, this is supposed to be a family-friendly server, and it's not the place for younger kids to learn profane words and risk applying them to their everyday speech at such a young age. I can imagine how horrified my 10-year-old cousin would be, looking at pages like these on the forums with cussing in them.

With your statement about cussing on the Internet, look. Not everyone cusses on the internet. Look at all the other people who have posted on this thread already saying they haven't! The internet wasn't designed to be a place where people could cuss all they want, and just cuz some people do now, doesn't mean everyone should.

In my opinion, tbh, cussing just shows your lack of knowledge of: alternate vocabulary, when to turn on the filter in front of younger kids, and when you just need to take a break. You say it helps emphasize points, I say if you really need to emphasize a point that much, you wait five minutes until you're cooled down enough and able to express yourself more maturely. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Look, knears, up at that post. I think I got a point across fairly well. So did many others. I didn't cuss, nor did anyone in their posts, with similar ideas as mine. We didn't need to. Nor does anyone.


Now, knears. I guess suggestion threads like these are intened to be more of a debate then a flame war. So, I shall sit down for now, and what I'd like you to do is 1) List every positive effect this will have on the ECC community, and 2) Why I should believe that I, as well as every other teenager, will cuss regularly by the time I'm 18.

 

Cussing does not show a lack of knowledge of vocabulary, when to filter and when you need to take a break. I'm sorry but saying you only cuss when you're upset is the stupidest thing I've heard.
Cussing is something that can be done maturely, appropriately and in a civil manner. It's a parent's responsibility to teach their kids this, because they will get exposed to cussing no matter what they, or we, do. Cussing is all over the internet, kids cuss at school at the age of 8, there's cussing on TV. (although probably less if you're in the USA, such a prudish country)
You can NOT prevent anyone from seeing cussing. All you can do is accept it's a natural thing to do. Cussing only has bad meaning because people one day decided it had bad meaning. (or it had bad meaning from origin, but that's no longer applicable)

Cussing is only bad because people claim it is.
Cuss words are only alternative ways of saying things. They are NOT bad. They are NOT immature and they are NOT inappropriate. The only exception is when you use them to insult anyone. AND THAT GOES FOR NON-CUSS WORDS TOO. So there's no difference there.

So, can you explain to me why cussing is bad? Why it's immature or inappropriate?
I'm sure you can't, because they're just words. Words with meaning and words that are commonly used. Just like the rest of the English language they're used in conversation, text and other forms of communication. This isn't the 19th/20th century any more. Get rid of that outdated view on cussing.

 

I'll take a shot at answering that question. Cussing is bad because that's the entire reason it exists. Society either accidentally or on purpose decided it wanted words that reflect "harsh" meaning. Cuss words are there so we can express an extreme emotion, usually a negative one. When or if the current cuss words lose the harshness to their meaning, then new words will be created that will become the new cuss words. Basically, you can't have acceptable cuss words, because then they wouldn't be cuss words.

 

That works.
Also, I still find them to be immature too- when's the last time you've seen business professionals at work cussing left and right?
Yes, I should have said this as well before too. I find the occasional word/slip up to be fine, but cussing every other word? That's more like, you think you're so cool cuz you're saying all these words. No, I don't think so personally. I have little to no respect for people who find cussing very frequently, and ok thing to do.

Anyway. This isn't supposed to be about whether cussing's ok or not, it's about whether or not it's good for ECC. I'm pretty sure I don't remember kids cussing when I was in 3rd grade, and yes, it was a fairly large public school. We need to respect those kids by limiting our cussing as much as possible and the current rule does a fine job of that, I think. I rarely see people cuss on ECC, and like I said, I absolutely don't mind the occasional slip-up. But, just because us middle and high schoolers are used to hearing cussing around us all the time, doesn't make it ok for all elementary schoolers to hear.

Like I asked earlier, could anyone who supports this rule change make a list of all positive effects this suggestion will have for ECC, should it be implemented.

Oh, nice little link here to share. A couple points on this list, I disagree with a bit, but most I find true. http://www.cusscontrol.com/swearing.html

 

Saying "someone will rarely cuss" or "they'll only use one cuss word once and a while" makes this sound good, but you lose sight of the underlying problem. The problem is there are probably 100+ older people and when they discover they can cuss, even if it is "a cuss word every once and a while" thats 100+ people cussing every once and a while. That's tons of people, having cuss words spoken tons of time. Every time someone dies they'll cuss, and it adds up.

Now, asking "why is cussing bad because they're just words?" is like asking "why is parading around a neighborhood naked bad considering long ago people wore barely any clothing" and the direct answer is because society made is vulgar. Whether or not you care what society thinks, I would personally much rather have less people offended with vulgarities then people who just want to curse. You don't have to curse, but if you do people will get offended.

All in all, if we allowed any form of cussing the chat would just be spammed with it.