and that is, again where we differ. I don't care if people will be offended, that is their problem and doesn't give them a right to try to silence those like me.

 

But there are some who agree, which means there is some hope for reason.

I disagree, I'd fire right back at them and not be a wimp. No point in getting offended over words, especially from strangers. I've personally been made fun of/picked on before, and I went right back at them and they stopped picking on me and even became okay friends with some of them. Don't be so soft and life gets better.

While technically they do, I suppose that was worded incorrectly. Let me fix that, they shouldn't have the right to censor people. Unless of course it is something like death threats, calls to violence, innappropriate in regards to children, etc.

 

I never said I don't care about people, don't put words in my mouth. I said I don't care if people get offended by what I say, that is their choice they are making. Offensive is subjective, no point in getting offended over words. I don't want to have to go to pms to have a decent conversation, and often I want to join in on ongoing conversations in global, so I can't just tell everyone "hey lets make a group and talk about this" all the time. I don't see what's hard to get here.

 

Oh boy, where to begin? This shaming tactic won't work on me, nice try though bud. Mentally ill people experience things they don't like all the time. They may not find that to their liking, but, well, that's life.

I'm not confusing ECC with real life, I would kindly ask you to re-read one of my latest comments in response to Nicit. The issue with walking away because of this, which I have done previously is that most places follow the modern orthodoxy of this insane "political correctness", for the lack of a more suitable word. So I came back here to play, and was once more reminded of the oppressive rules in regards to speech. Here I am fighting back against this club's tyrannical rules, in a pseudo-democratic fashion as Andrew of course, and rightfully so has the final say as it is his server.

Again, I don't know how many times I will have to say it, but if someone makes the poor decision to be offended that is their own fault and they need to get over themselves. The idea that people have no control over this in insane. Here, on the internet it is a mob rule, or those with the power who rule, just as in real life. You are wrong in that the person online who sees something they don't like is the one disadvantaged. The one who dislikes what they see has a plethora of options, such as walking away, ignoring it, ignoring the person, going somewhere else on the internet, or they can wisely choose to not be offended and carry on. Meanwhile, the person who is speaking has to either submit to the rules, or face punishment. Quite unbalanced.

I am dealing with this in a pseudo-democratic fashion, I believe there has been slightly more on the side of censorship. It only appears to be tipped heavily in the favor of your views because your side of this has been far more vocal. You'll notice there are three "Likes" on the OP. They should not be discounted, simply because they did not leave a comment. So you may see it that I have been "voted down", but I clearly have not been. There is still on-going debate, with support for both sides.

Many people have put a lot of money into keeping this server alive over the years, myself included ($300+), which is quite substantial for a single minecraft server. I'm not saying that to discount Andrew in any way, as I am fully aware of the time, effort, and probably money he has put into the server over the years. However, it is the community which keeps it alive through their numerous and generous donations and their continued time on the server itself. You don't have to like my speech, just as I don't like some of the speech I see on the server, however that doesn't mean you should try to shut it down. I certainly don't, because I believe that others have the right to say something, even if I don't like it. Unfortunately, it get clearer day by day that this is not the case here, and in some places in real life.

If I had the interest to enter a club in which I had to wear a tie, I would certainly wear the tie. This is a poor example because one this is restrictive of one's ability to not only speak, but to enjoy themselves, and even participate regardless of attire. However, this is not how things work. A good example of this is the formerly named "Boy Scouts". People started whining, even though they were able to join other pre-existing groups with what they wanted, or were free to make their own new groups. Instead they forced their way into the group, without "wearing a tie".

Though I wouldn't be in the position to be thrown off a plane for disorderly conduct, I would certainly be annoyed if I were, though understanding of why I was.

I have made it plain that I don't like the rules, so again, here I am trying to change these oppressive rules.

Keep the unwarranted potatoes coming, ajp. Don't stop, bud it's a good look. Or perhaps elaborate why you believe potatoes are suitable for perfectly reasoned arguments?

 

Thank you, once you fix that, I will retract the potato, as the item originally worthy of a potato will have been retracted. As I have stated I do not expect this change to come to ECC, however rather than carry on and complain about the rules which I strongly disagree with I have come to the correct place to have a discussion about it. Even if everyone isn't going to be reasonable, it is better to make an attempt for change, rather than ignore the observed issue.

Hmm, perhaps the issue has some merit, if it keeps popping up? I can say I am thoroughly enjoying myself as well. Though not as much when these pathetic non-arguments are given. If it is entertaining, then it has some value and is not entirely a waste of time, no?

"Global chat is for everyone and anyone and should be restricted as such." That has got to be one of the worst lines of nonsense I have ever seen. Global is the main channel of discourse and should be free to open and balanced discussion, just as any place where conversation is held in the public square.

Your suggestion for a channel would be quite useless, and it is laughable, and insane to suggest that because I with to speak moderately more freely that I am "entitled" or that I have suggested, implied, or otherwise stated that I am more important than other individuals.

Perhaps we should suggest a channel for people who are clearly unable to think rationally, make unsubstantiated claims, and enjoy their illusions together?

Finally, in general I am disappointed, though unsurprised at any attempt to be reasonable from a few people as I, and a few others - on both sides are being at times. I am not here asking to allow anything "extreme" such as the staff's permission to speak racial terms, or the f word in regards to homosexuals, death threats, directed language, etc. I am simply asking for relatively milquetoast language to be allowed. Clearly, even that seems to be too much to ask.
Assuming nobody else has anything interesting to say, I would request that Andrew would step in and make his final decision, as I believe no matter how long I talk censorship and "my hurt feefees" will win at the end of the day.

 

Lmao, care to elaborate a bit or are we just gonna be vague?

Clearly you haven't read a thing I've said. No surprise there, but a damn shame.

I've said I use some of the words provided to add emphasis and more meaning to what it is that I am saying. Just like you use your shits, etc. I can guarantee you I'll will be saying this stuff past the age of 25, and I know plenty others 25-40 who use the same kind of language. It got accepted once and the staff threw a fit. No surprise there...lmfao. I CLEARLY have said multiple times this isn't a everything goes suggestion and have only said otherwise. I already said some of this isn't to be used around children, and swearing has no place in my suggestion, which you would have known if you read my posts. I said that this can be handled on a case by case basis, obviously if someone abuses their priviledges they would still pay consequences.

Good on you repeating old points, I know fully that this is a private forum and server which is why I went this route even though it's unlikely to change I went for it anyway because the change as I see it would make this server a better place. The case hasn't settled yet, so I will not make any decisions until that point, but nice try at thinly masking a "you're not welcome here", bud.

LMFAO, now THIS is funny.

Offensive is subjective. Taking offense from words is laughable. As I have said, I do not, as it is a choice which can be made.

Yet in many others they are.

No, I am simply using it as an example because it is usually down the train of logic used by your types. "You can't say that because you're not x, or have not had to deal with x." Perhaps I have run across an exception, though it is funny that you, being disconnected and across the world are offended by that.

It is interesting, I am supposedly "offended" and "entitled" simply because I am arguing to have the right to speak in moderate terms, as far as "offensiveness" goes. Yet here the lot of you are insulting me time and time again, though I don't mind, as I find it amusing. Naturally, I would fire back at such attacks, amusing or otherwise, however apparently that would make me egotistical? Rather interesting line of thought right there.

Buddy, I have never implied, suggested or otherwise said anything near that. The world certainly doesn't revolve around me, nor will it ever. I have no idea how you even managed to come to such a conclusion simply because I am arguing for something you happen to dislike and not giving up until the end.

Oh, we want to bring up gaslighting, huh? At least a few of you have implied because I have a differing opinion, that I am either stupid or insane, quite a laughable conclusion. I'm assuming that you think I am gaslighting because of some of the abstractions and buzzwords I have used, certainly trying to make some form of appeal as other methods aren't working for reasons I won't go into as I either already have or will simply be "offensive". Not going to sit here and insult you all day, not interesting, nor is it useful.

So, because I have some differing opinions about words which can or can not be used in regular speech, when it is called for, or whether or not the use of these words can be used at all in the suggested fashion there MUST be something different, or wrong with me? Honestly that in and of it self is rather egotistical and delusional, not to gaslight you there, pal. Let me humor you in this case. Yes, I am young. I am 19, however in my younger teen years I went through my "rebellious" phase, more of the typical musical type. While I have largely moved on from the way of thinking associated with that, and still enjoy more moderate forms of the music I have entered a different type of rebellion? You would do well the realize, that not all rebellion is negative. However, you clearly don't like some parts associated with it, assuming this is some sort of rebellion. You are most certainly entitled to believe that, and I believe as you have made your mind up you won't change it. That fact is natural, so I can't hold it against you.

As for the next one this depends on what you define as "educated". In this case I would say it's safe to assume that you are speaking of college. Due to my relatively young age I am certainly "uneducated", if we are to use the terms you have set. However, I will be going to college soon enough as I will be paid to do so, not because I find it to be necessary. Unfortunately, money holds so much importance to many people, and is now something which has much control over one's life. So while, I work towards my goals I must get some money to support myself. That kills two birds with one stone, I recieve money and at the end of four, years I get some piece of paper. Perhaps I will go back and get another at six years. Though, school is necessary I don't hold it with such esteem as it would seem it holds with you. School has always been easy, so I never put in much effort. Still made As and Bs, without any issues. From what I heard of college, from someone currently in it, college sounds like it will be very much the same. It has also been corrupted by ideology. Why should I hold such a thing to any level of value? The only thing I can see, is if, god forbid I end up using that piece of paper I get at the end for some form of employment. However, while plans don't usually go as planned, I can not worry and use that as one of my backup plans.

As for the final one, I am young, and going into college soon enough. Of course I am relatively poor. The United States military doesn't pay well, however I did not go into it for the pay, so there is no issue there. Some of the reasons for my joining was for the experience, and this intel job I landed seems like it could be interesting, as it comes with a security clearance. I'm assuming they have not thrown that on there for the sake of attracting people, though you should never underestimate the lengths that those in power will go through to get to their end goal. Damn shame, that is. Now that I am done with that tangent, I will restate that, yes I am relatively poor. I was raised in an upper-middle class household, around 10 parents separated, around 12-13 they officially divorced. Neither parent is upper-middle class anymore, at least as is observable with regards to my father. Though I live with my mother, so I suppose I would use her more or less to decide where I currently lie in the financial world. At least until I move out, which shouldn't be too long now.

I actually am not offended than I can't use some moderate language, which you personally as well as some of the others here seem to find offensive. I just find it bothersome.

Again with this, wow. Lets say it again. I'm not offended that I can't use words which you find offensive. It is also your opinion that I have made a poor choice in arguing for something I believe in, and defending myself and my beliefs. Now that adds to the long list of comedy displayed here.

I have quite good control over my emotions and reactions, therefore it is not hypocritical of my to ask others to do the same. However, you are most certainly free to continue to make unsubstantiated, and untrue claims all day long. In fact, I would ask you to continue simply for the comedic value.

As for quotes, I could leave you some, which don't apply to the situation, and are only seemingly validated through untrue claims of my own previously stated an a comment of my own. However, that is utterly pointless.

Phew, that was fun. Lets do it again sometime, shall we, Paragon?

I said that I'm only against that for disallowing speech that is illegal in the United States. However, as that has a slimmer chance of sucess here I did not go that route. No, I'm not sure I could ever understand your reasoning, or the lack thereof.

As for the meme, let me explain to you why it has failed.

1. As previously mentioned in my reply to Paragon's comment I have said that I only used words such as censorship, tyranny, etc. as a means of appeal. While in technicality they do apply in this case, I don't care. Though, in your defense I've only revealed that after you've sent the meme. However, the fact remains a fact.

2. It's a very weak meme, and while I don't expect much I am rather disappointed. Such weak memeing is not only a disrace to memetics, but also to the movie itself.

Here is my counter-meme, though you may or may not see wholly the value in it.

 

OOF! At least it was fun, and there is some value in that.