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Aaron0119What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:
Main City ServerShort title for your suggestion:
Mayor's Permission EditsWhat are you suggesting:
Mayor's should be able to revoke permissions to an individual who is griefing your town IMMIDENTlLY if you have evidence of the individual griefing either by eye witness w/ investigator or the use of investigator itself. Once the player's perms to the town are removed you must IMMIDENTLY file a report on the person for griefing and then go through the process of getting the person banned/evicted from the town. You may not affect the chests or plot in which the person stayed in during the griefing in order to still protect the individual's property.Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:
This allows Town owners to not get totally pushed over by others griefing. This allows town owners to quickly stop and prevent further griefing of their towns, which would also lower rollbacks from being commonplace.Other information:
All is mentioned in the Suggestion abovePlugin or custom addition:
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I Understand.
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NinjarakuPwnz MayorMayor ⛰️⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
i fully stand behind this suggestion and would feel this is a great common ground for both the mayors and members of a town to prevent players from causing more potential damage,
1. the town owners must still allow the player/griefer to access any/all lwc'd items within their designated plot but can revoke town permissions after an investigator + screenshot of grief/theft is found.
2. players who join a town must adhere to agreed upon town rules when joining and are fully-bound to follow the set town's rules.
i think we should post our town rules on the forums, this way rules can't simply be changed by breaking a sign. this will provide a "edit/post" time and date stamp for when the rules were last set/changed. to prevent town owners from changing rules to give themselves an advantage to removing some ones permissions -
The issue with " players who join a town must adhere to agreed upon town rules when joining and are fully-bound to follow the set town's rules." is that the rules they agree to can be unfair and they just wouldn't know it. Another reason not to make that a thing is because it is hard to draw the line between what is fair and what isn't in regards to a person's point of view.
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I agree with allowing us the ability to temporarily removing a member pending a staff investigation.
The only issue I am seeing, is that the rules, staff's stance, and the Investigator Feature Description kind of conflict with one another. The description of the investigator feature hints that removal of a member of a town using the Logblock tool is part of the appeal of the feature itself.
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NinjarakuPwnz MayorMayor ⛰️⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
it's worth noting even if their perms are removed they can still access their LWC'd items. literally only removed permissions to prevent further griefing until the player could be contacted about the issue for resolution.-
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I am backing the Idea of town owners more tools to on sight and instantly stop on Going grief and prevent further grief from occuring.
As is you can file them for a temp. Ban which is only effective if a staff member is online ( that is Pretty Much always tho.. almost ).
In the case of property rights it would be the town owners responsibility to safeguard the temp. Lost belongings of the accused until authorised people look Into the matter.
Griefers to my experience are Very often builders. And would see no harm in giving ranks a little more oomph as the difference is negligeble atm in regards to protecting your town while still not wanting to live in solitude.
Not sure if this goes anywhere but id like more power to the mayors! Hehe :)-
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-1 Eh, I disagree. As a SMod, we try to handle reports ASAP.
Plus, to cover a few of your points:
The reason for the current settup is because staff can lawfully deal with the situation in a fair manor first.
TL;DR it is going to be a huge headache for everyone that has more possibility for more chaos.
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If someone does abuse it though you can just revoke their right to own a town or give them strikes. Aren't commands logged as well? like you could see when someone was revoked from a town and when the post was made.
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@Jdawger can smods revoke members permissions immediately if they are griefing or breaking rules, if they refuse to stop? There were some discussions in VIP chat last week and the impression left was that if a member of your town starts griefing you that there’s nothing that can be done until the 3 day eviction notice has expired.
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From the Main City Rules
However should this be the case, you still need to file a grief report to get the full damage assessed and then you may remove the user from the town after the report is completed. As the user is now banned, you don't need to worry about them continuing to grief the town.
If a user griefed but is not actively doing so, get a grief report up asap. Once it is processed you may proceed with the eviction.
tl:dr, you don't need to wait 3 days to remove a griefer, you simply just need an official report processed first. The sooner you file, the sooner it gets handled and you remove the problem user from the town.
On the allowing of users to revoke permissions from towns based on personal investigation use. I do not agree. I can see it causing a ton of conflict and is also prone to high abuse. There are ways to handle active grief(call over a staff), and our smod team is pretty on top of grief reports, should you not catch the act in the making.-
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NinjarakuPwnz MayorMayor ⛰️⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
what makes work for staff is when we have to file a grief report when some noob decides to start making entrances through their neighbor's walls after reading and agreeing to town rules.
most of the players i reported for griefing are now un-banned, so 2-3 reports staff has to deal with. Minimum
in real life, an eviction, normally, would allow the player to move within a timeframe from their land/house but when rules are being broken and you are trashing the entire community, you'd be hauled off to jail right then and there.
All players are required to follow server rules, there should not be a "grey" area knowing town owners aren't just clicking the ground with gold shovels to get their town, it's designed to be a multiplayer community but when there is cause for removing their permissions i honestly see no issues with removing perms, especially knowing 4 times now rollbacks have been denied because item value is based off /worth and not the player market prices, again another loophole for builders to use. but hey, when they're unbanned they're already halfway to resident right? yeah... not happening in my town. the players agree to the terms when they join. the rules for my town are posted on the forums.
if every town owner decided they only allow resident or higher rank players to join their town due to the griefing loopholes currently in place, there will be a lot more builders just quitting after spamming global for a plot, there is no-where else for them to get a place to live or store things/build protected. which again, is giving a grey area to allow griefers to get away with it. then 2 have people getting mad at one another in global because "i thought griefing wasn't allowed here" staff: only if you join a town.
no people, even if you join a town, server rules are telling us we have to allow it to go on for 3 days, and with blocks usually being worth next to nothing,
griefing is griefing and it's bright as day when you see it happening, town owners shouldn't be forced to let players do it when there is investigators and screenshots involved
Lets face it, all us town owners could just refuse to accept builder rank players, and we can just eat popcorn while we watch them flop around in global spamming for a plot.
whelp, sorry, we're not willing to take the liability, ask staff where you can get a place to live until you manage to save up 15k for resident while having no protected place to build a house beyond locking your chests... =p -
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Also speaking from experience as I helped with massive builder town projects... grief will happen. At some point. It's usually not that hard to fix though. Rebuilding might seem intensive but from my experience 90% of my grief was fixed within 15 minutes. The other percent I usually could get help from the community.
I also want to point out that this is an economy server. Everything comes with risk. Everything. And rewards.
My example is
Risk: griefing the town
Reward: finding a chest full of nstars from a builder that's gone massively inactive. (That was a great find)
If you dont want to take the griefing risk then I guess you dont have to. But you also wont get to find any treasures hidden away.-
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don't really see a reason why not, honestly. I don't see the argument that it's 'prone to abuse', the potential for abuse is already there and we're not changing actual permissions. Good faith breaches of eviction rules don't go anywhere anyway.
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I have added rules to allow this in the Seizure of Property and 3-day Eviction Notices right after the section that talks about how to properly evict a user.
https://ecocitycraft.com/forum/wiki...eizure-of-property-amp-3-day-eviction-notices
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