That was before I understood the issues associated with giving water use to everybody. Thanks for bringing up a year old post.
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UnitedStates2 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Gameplay Architect Premium UpgradeI was responding to Dccciz's idea.
But we're just giving out the message that if you keep paying the owner, staff will deal with you regardless. ECC isn't built as a for-profit company who's only intentions are to make money - we're a community, which yes, at times does need money, but we should never be going that far. -
Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeFly? Hell, there's a whole collection of features you can chose from, why don't you apply the same logic to those?
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Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeAnd what is the message we're giving out, now? That if you're hypocrite enough, staff will deal with you regardless. A very good message, indeed.
Another consideration: I don't think that ECC's profits from banned users would be comparable to the profits coming from features, kits, & other stuff. I'm pretty sure they would be negligible, instead. So your argument is not a very good one. -
UnitedStates2 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Gameplay Architect Premium UpgradeIt's hard to tell sincerity based on text, but what you're suggesting is even a worse idea by not requiring any sincerity at all.
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Woo! Elitism!
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Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeReal life offenders don't go saying "Please, I'm so sorry, I'll never murder again!". They pay for what they have done. Regardless of their sincerity. I'm not proposing an idea worse than hypocrisy, I'm just being practical: if you don't establish a serious deterrent, we will have al lot of repeated offenders around.
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knears2000 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️This is a game for fun, not the Supreme Court.
Seriously though, this would lead to corruption for that matter. One mod could really want ECC to get a few extra bucks and ban a few people. What happens if there is a wrongful ban and they cough up the $10 to get back for something they didn't do wrong? You normally only lose your hobby, but now you're losing some of your paycheck. That's ridiculous if you ask me.-
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UnitedStates2 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Gameplay Architect Premium UpgradeSome are sincere though, and some have contributed lots to the community. We already have serious deterrents like you want in place - The more times you get banned, the more you have to put effort in your appeal and the longer the tempban will be. And to the point where an repeat offender has been banned so many times, it get ridiculous, the administration can and has PermaBanned players like that.
We already have multiple deterrents in place, and this won't help.-
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I don't think I need to add anything, this is a beautiful argument.
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Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeIt seems nobody has actually read the whole post and everybody stopped at the title -_-
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Ok, great, you have a way around that.
Now tell me this, Expiplusone.
I'm 10 years old and I forgot to replant two carrots at the farm in my town. I get banned for griefing and ECC is my favorite server. I'm 10 years old and can't pay. So what do I do? I can't do anything unless I steal my parents credit card. Would you like that? Complaints from parents about stolen credit cards? Or would you rather have a place where you have an opportunity to get unbanned without paying money? -
UnitedStates2 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Gameplay Architect Premium UpgradeWell, it'd be quite nice to respond to my point...
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Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeVery easy: for minor offense you just tempban. Solved.
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Expipiplusone BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️ Premium UpgradeAre you referring to this:
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knears2000 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️And if it happens again on accident?
Update the main suggestion because I can't seem to decipher your point. You're yelling at everyone for not reading the post, yet, you say that if you're banned for essentially anything, then you have to pay and if you're continued to be banned for whatever reason under the sun, you've gotta pay up. Please, make you're point clearer so I can actually understand the suggestion and have it not come off as a corrupt way of handling appeals.
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