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    BUMP - https://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/ban-appeal-gmaxx.152630/ A clear example of why this suggestion should be looked at, a 3 day ban for what could possibly be months of cheating our system and the players who are playing fairly.

    Some of you may be thinking "But he got a balance reset" which is true yes however balance resets often aren't a big factor if the money has already been placed into assets/forum bank(I personally have been on the receiving end of a balance reset in the past and it acted as no deterrent to me stopping my actions"

    There is also the obvious point that the hacker in question has kept ALL of his sg stats intact which is just crazy, how can we expect to have a leader board with ANY integrity if it doesn't get amended upon somebody cheating it?
     
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    yes, but needs to be more severe
     
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    yoy can't "accidentally" hack. You have to physically download whatever hacked mod you use. If you use it you shouldn't be allowed back on the server, period. All 3 day temporary bans do is show that the punishment is minimal, and if they get into money trouble, that it may be worth it due to the light repercussions.
     
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    +1 once again. Something needs to be done. Since removing SG points is too complicated due to it affecting all kinds of things, what about making a way to have a person's SG stats stop being tracked? If you get caught hacking in SG, you're obviously not trustworthy enough to play fair. Therefore you shouldn't get points. Or if that's too difficult or not feasible, let's start destroying star tools. De-rank a repeat offender. Put their towns up for immediate claim. Some people would say that's too harsh, but if you want to hack and cheat your way to glory and spoils, then you deserve NOTHING you've worked for here. Simple as that.
     
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    It is crazy how punishments have been dealt out lately. Extremely naive to think a player would hack and then keep it in their balance - this isn't 2012 anymore. And don't even get me started on a 3 day temp-ban given for what amounts to a calculated attempt at ruining other players' experiences.
     
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    ^The person above me has a Dank AFF sig. nice m8 whcih chicka made it?
    If SG points cant be removed, you could not allow them to have forum medals regarding SG points?
     
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    +1 lets use gmaxx as an example this player is ranked 50 on the sg stat leaderboards they have had 6380 kills and 1953 wins this equates to around 4 million ecd in winnings from sg and lets assume that they were hacking the entire time since that seems likely. They received a bal wipe which probably wiped a few 100k at most. Then they gave them a 3 day temp ban after handling their appeal instantly. Its insane. Hackers will not stop hacking until the punishment is increased. They should be de ranking people taking star tools and temp banning for much longer. Its a complete slap in the face to all of us fair players.
     
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    +1 Sg is full of hackers
     
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    BTW Andrew once stated that when the SA's wipe balances they not only clear your /bal but also raid trade signs and forum balances. However, if you bought something with hacking money, it is completely safe. So balance wipes often don't reach much of the illegitimate money.

    This is why we should have longer bans (3 days for a calculated attempt at ruining players' experiences for your own personal gain is ridiculous) and destroy tools / de-rank players as well.

    Also SG stat wipes and revoking medals should be done as well. This is not harsh at all, you can't just accidentally hack, you have to physically download whatever hacked client you are using.
     
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    +1

    Punishments for hacking should be extremely severe, given the users knowingly install these clients to modify their games. Absolutely no excuses for hacking.
     
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    Elaborate.
     
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    Hacker confirmed
     
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    Wot's that?
    Just because I disagree does not mean I'm a hacker.
     
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    Personally what I like here is:

    1st Offense: 7 day temp, balance wipe, relevant statistics reset.
    If SG, 30 day blacklist from SG leaderboard as well.

    2nd Offense: 30 day temp, balance wipe, ranks reset, relevant statistics reset.
    If SG, 90 day blacklist from SG leaderboard as well.

    3rd Offense: No appeal.
     
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    I think this is more how it should be. Two things. 'Ranks reset', meaning say they apply for Tycoon while hacking, are they simply reverted back to President? Or are they knocked down to Builder? And two, as long as that "No appeal" on 3rd offense is set in stone and LEGIT means no appeal, then yes please.
     
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    I'm wondering because you specified "If SG" separately - with "Statistics", are you referring to mcMMO statistics like Mining or Herbalism?
     
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    Realistically it could be either, demoting below president can cause issues with towns, and after all, you're only "wiping" about 280k for the trouble. Especially for players who are EcoMasters or EcoLegends, the money spent on ranks below Tycoon is trivial. Obviously it'd be a different circumstance with players ranked below Tycoon, but that's my thoughts.

    As for no appeal, I can say I won't let them appeal to me. I often don't get the final say in matters like that, though.
     
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