I think having a "chance at no-kit" game is not a good idea.

This is because you don't know when to expect no-kit arenas, the people with kits that want to use them don't know when they can and can't use them until they're in the game already. If they notice it being a no-kit arena they would simply leave. And there's many users who want to use kits.

What I think is a better idea is having 1 arena dedicated to no-kits, as that's what's been suggested a couple of times for a reason.

I'll quote my own post on that suggestion

As a note, before any kits were implemented the games in arena 1 would take 20-30 minutes, sometimes even longer. (Full arenas, that is)

The current kit-arenas are already filled with people during on-peak. The no-kit arena would be flooded simply because the people who normally don't play SG would play the no-kit arena. The ones that already play on the current kit-arenas would likely not have a problem playing in those arenas when the no-kit arena is full/in-game.

What I'm trying to say is that the regular kit-arenas, the popular arenas, would not dwindle in population. In fact, users who play in the no-kit arena are likely to buy kits and play in the other arenas. This is because SG is fun, but that 1 arena without kits is always full and you can't always join. So the obvious solution is to buy some kits and compete in the other arenas. Maybe because you want a challenge, or maybe because the games are fast-paced and you can make money faster.

Another thing I ABSOLUTELY SUGGEST is A TRIAL PERIOD.

Implement this idea, keep it for a month and get people's feedback and look at the impact of the implementation. See if more users started playing SG regularly, see if more arenas get filled, see how it impacts donations for kits.
Of course, the opposite is always possible, but it's worth a shot... As long as you mention that it's a trial period.
I see trial periods on almost every big mini-game server. Beta periods for new games, and trial periods for changes in current games.
It is a necesity.

Anyway.. make it a dedicated no-kit arena please, and trial periods are important. :b

 

I would be up for this

 

If kits are removed as you enter the game and you do not have the ability to type your kit then users would leave because it is a no-kit arena

Kits should be removed as the game starts and says you have 60 seconds to run.

 

Wouldn't this be better in the suggestions forum?

 

+1 it's time to get back to normal sg.. I hate how it's so pay 2 win now.. People with spy, miq, and buffer, just don't make it fun.. Lets see who's really got the skill, and see who's just depending on their kits

 

+1 W o w. Before I begin a semi-long speech on how happy i am that this is going to be considered, i would like to say that i am upmost 100% for this.
So, to begin with, i personally think that kits are just an easy way to get money and sg points. Most sg matches on ecc nowadays are boring and pointless because of kit users. There is no skill whatsoever sometimes with kit users, they win purely because the weapons & armor are way to op. Sg should be about your ability to pvp, no your ability to make credit-card transactions. I am not against kits, as they do provide money for the up-keep of the server, but i do think that sometimes, kit free games would give users who cannot donate for these op items a chance to get some money from sg and some point to go towards forum medals (however, if this is to be 1/8, a lot of you would probably need like days worth of sg xD).
However, if this decision of the 1/8 games being no kits does not go under-way, then maybe a new sg map could be added, where kit commands are disabled. To be honest, i prefer this idea because then people, including I, can constantly sg without the worry that someone in the lobby is kit using.
Finally, despite the fact that this idea will probably go out the window, i believe that users with the kits Buffer (+&++), miq (+&++) and spy (+&++) should be refunded. These sg kits are a complete joke. Combined in one match, these kits provide the user with far too much power and complete control of the map. This, in my opinion, is also unfair for other kit users with slightly more "sensible kits" (such as hnt and scv as they are not made to kill, they are made to aid in getting places and getting resources.).
So, please take this into account and remember that this is purely my opinion only and does not reflect hate onto any kit users, i appreciate their contributions to the server very much as it shows loyalty.

 

Definitely a yes.

I like the random factor, and personally, if it was 1/4th of games, I think it would be even better. However, that may be pushing it a bit for players who rely on kits, so 1/8th is better than nothing. Hope to see this put into affect.

 

YES! Finally a fair match!

Because when I kill someone with kit ninja, I can't use the kit :/

 

I'm going to say no. There's absolutely nothing stopping me from joining an arena, realizing it's a no-kit arena, then leaving and finding a new one where I can use my kits. I have no problem with the ideas of nerfing certain kits that have recently been discussed, but a lot of people have paid a lot of money expecting to be able to use their kits at any time and not to have them randomly taken away during some games. I don't believe a random system like this will work.

I would much rather see sg competitions become kit free and an arena dedicated to not having kits. It would also be nice if the no kit arena cycled through the maps, so new users could experience all of our sg maps without having to worry about dying to users with kits.

 

@Miss_Anomaly I like the second idea, make a seperate arena or 2 with NO KITS! What a wonderful idea!

 

Ik it's 1/8 chance but I don't care, I want my money refunded if the kits don't give me an advantage in some games.

 

I voted yes, but like kuke said, it shouldn't be by chance. We should have 1 arena that is dedicated to no kits, not having a chance of it being no kits.

Also, as pointed out by others, if I'm a big kitter, I would just leave, because I would need skill to get a kill.

After thinking it through, it's a bad idea. All the kitters would just leave and it would be filled with non kitters only. Unless kitters are forced to play when the join,-1.

 

I see what a few thoughts are saying. I would like to voice support the general idea, but also for Kuke's suggestion.

A thing I see often when new users try out SG Games is that they feel that they cannot effectively fight people with kits. I do not play SG much, but I do know that it is possible to win without kits if you think a little unconventionally. I think some people can find kits fun as they may add something else into the mix, and I can appreciate that, and I think a no-kit chance would certainly liven things up for kit users...

But what does concern me is the deflection new users may face. The concept of the SG game is fun. New users are offput by ktis. When they are offput, even with a 1/8th chance to end up in a no-kit arena, will a new boot really wait through 8 games to try to end up in a no-kit game? I worry new-comers may still have reservations.

I think a set Non-kit arena would be a good idea. This way, people who do not have kits, and people who want a "change of scenery", can easily mount in. For new users, this could be a great introduction to ECC's implementation of Survival Games, and they can appreciate the gameplay and the community they are playing with. Once they appreciate that, they may venture into kit-sg games, and discover the fun in kits that so many are fond of.

 

@TheZombieMuffin Look at this album, and tell me again that you want kits to dominate SG.

It's a work in progress, but here we go: http://imgur.com/a/ZOeLj?desktop=1

 

I thought you weren't releasing that yet....

Also, I have mixed feelings. I think it would be unique and one-of-a-kind, yet I think that a no-kits arena would be better because it forces no one to play it. It's there if you want. I know I would enjoy this either way, but I can't talk because I still don't use kits.

Just an observation: The poll and responses here are showing people are a bit unhappy. I think something like this is going to happen, it is just a matter of time.

 

Yes, add a No kit SG map. But, don't make it a chanced thing. Just have an arena for fun, no pay, no kits, just pure killing fun.

 

YESYESYES

 

+1

 

I would still buy kits even if there was a 1/8 chance that it would be a no-kit match. Don't make assumptions of others please.

 

That would be just ridiculous, that would be thousands of $ in donated refunds, and Andrew would have to give codes to every single person to apply towards other features, there would be no actual cash refund. Which in-turn loses possible donations made from those other features.