I want to preface this by saying, yes, I know I'm new to the serer, and yes, I know I "shouldn't" be complaining, but I feel for how awesome this server is, and how great so many of the plugins work, a fairly bad shop plugin was chosen. You can't buy and sell to the same sign/shop, and therefore stocking it and getting cash back out is a manual process. I've seen other very elegant plugins where you can put a sign and chest that contains the stock, as well as the capacity to be sold to, with an easy to create and read sign displaying the buy and sell price for X quantity of item Y.

Any particular reason for the current shop plugin choice?

Thanks,

Mike

 

I'm not saying it's broken. Just saying its terribly limiting. Can't buy and sell from the same shop, and requires more manual intervention than that of other shop plugins.

 

Mission001, what I have suggested does have a limit on how much you can sell. Whatever you put in the shop chest under the sign is what will be sold. Conversely, if you only have 15 slots in the chest empty, you can only buy 15 stacks from people selling to you. What this does is allow you to control and do some pretty unique things. You can put 1 dirt in each of the chests slots so that you only have 4 empty slots left to buy from sellers.

I'll give an example of a shop system that I wanted to build, but with the current plugin, is not possible.

I line up 10 small-chest-shops in a row. The first one Buys 1 diamond for $20 and sells for $22, the 2nd $22:$24, the 3rd $$24:$26, etc etc.
I fill all 10 chests with 1 dirt in each slot, leaving only one empty slot.
I fill the last 5 chests with 1 stack of diamond each, i.e the most expensive chests.

So now someone comes and want to buy a diamond, they will try to buy from the cheapest chest, but it doesn't have any, so the move right, and try again, eventually buying from the 6th chest.

Then someone comes and wants to unload (sell) 2 stacks of diamond, and the best price they get is the 1 sell-able at the 6th chest, then a stack at the 5th chest, and then finally 63 at the 4th chest. What their influx in supply has done is reduce the market's price of the diamond to the price listed on the 4th chest.

So now, when someone wants to buy a diamond, they pay the 4 chest price, which is lower than that of the 6th chest.

This can be scaled to more chests for a more granular increments, and the spreads can even be lowered to reduce commissions.

Finally, you can even remove some dirt to open up the slots to allow each chest to take in more stacks, which has the effect of changing the sensitivity of the price movement to influxes in supply or demand.

Anyway, all this to say, this can't be done with the current shop system.

Does it mean the current system is broken? No.

Does it mean the current system is limiting. Yes?

-Mike

 

No, that's not how it works.

If a chest has 32 flowers in it, you can make a Buy Only sign like this:
Line 1:
Line 2: 1
Line 3: 2
Line 4: Red Flower

which will result in

Line 1: gtabmx
Line 2: 1
Line 3: $2
Line 4: Red Flower

so someone can buy 1 red flower for $2 until the chest has no more red flowers. The shop cannot be sold to.

A sign like this:

Line 1: gtabmx
Line 2: 1
Line 3: $2 B : $1 S
Line 4: Red Flower

someone can still buy a red flower for $2, or they can sell one to the chest for $1, as many times as the chest has space for. The quantity per transaction can be modified on the sign at will to absolutely any value. The transaction will only occur for a buy if the chest has enough of that item, and if the player has enough money. A sell to shop will only occur if the chest has enough space and the shop keeper has enough money.

For a shop keeper to limit how much they can be sold to (so they don't go broke) they can just put a single dirt in each chest slot to limit the chests's space for taking items in from sellers.

-Mike

 

Ah yes, sorry, I misunderstood you.

Yes, a shop is forced to buy whatever quantity to fill up a slot. So the limitation would be only on selling to a shop, and can be overcome, albeit (I agree) inefficiently, by stocking the last slot with (64-wanted_quantity) of the item. However, this limitation and way to overcome it, is much smaller than the limitations and complete impossibilities created by the current system.

-Mike

 

The limitations by Jacob, from what I understand, still exit.

There is no doubt a larger space requirement. You need a sign, as with the current system, and a chest bellow, above, or to the side of that sign.
So yes, 1 more block of space required.

As for selling or buying experience points, also correct. I haven't played on another server in a while, so perhaps such shop systems have overcome that in the last year, but from what I understand, you cannot.