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georgie0417What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:
VMR ServerShort title for your suggestion:
Removing Obtainables from Kit RareWhat are you suggesting:
To removed the more easily obtained items from kit rare, specifically:Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:
Dragon Egg
Nether Star
Large Fern
Tall Grass
Beacon
Removing these four items which are all 100% obtainable and relatively easy to obtain would remove some of the clutter in the crates and make it easier to obtain the real unobtainable items.Other information:
Currently, the large fern and tall grass can all be obtained via looting chests in villages.Plugin or custom addition:
The nether stars are obtained by killing the wither. Before the 1.14 changes which made spawns much more common, it would have taken an insane amount of time to get the 9 wither skulls it would require to obtain the 3 nether stars without the crates. Since the changes however it has made getting the skulls significantly easier thus my suggestion. Additionally, with wither roses now being introduced every player must kill the wither at least once which results in 1/3 nether stars.
The Dragon egg could be changed, but because of it's limited spawn rate (you only get one per world regardless of if you spawn in more dragons) I would understand why this particular item stays in the chest. I only suggest removing it because every player must enter the End for various items so killing the dragon would result in obtaining the Egg naturally.
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-1 I think the reason they were put there was because although they are obtainable, they are so hard to obtain that they might as well be unobtainable.
Yes, large ferns and double grass spawn in village chests, but their spawn rate is still next to nothing. Since the 1.14 release, I found over 20-30 villages and only a handful even had those items in it (to put it in perspective, I only found 5 total between the two items, and every village I went to was not looted).
For nstars, I see your point seeing as we need a wither to even get wither roses, but the amount of stress that would be needed to get enough nstars for not only the item, but beacons as well, we are looking at 20 wither kills and 60 wither skeleton heads (seeing as “obtainables” are basically set at 10; still, we are looking at 6 if we keep it the same amount, which would still equal 36 wither skeleton heads).
And finally, dragon egg. As you mentioned, there is only one that spawns per week. From what I gathered from talking to the other die hard VMR players, it was put in the crate to give everyone an equal chance at the egg since it would never respawn.
BONUS: you didn’t mention the mobs heads (sans the player and wither skeleton) which are obtainable as well. Still, those are the hardest to obtain, yet they are obtainable. Would you say they need to be out of the crate too? Probably not seeing as they require too much to get a reliable method.
TL;DR for the people who do try for booklet, getting rid of these from the crate would make them stop playing that specific server (I know I will stop my booklet collection, and that’s saying something since I am about 100 items away from completing it with a majority being rares).
Also, I don’t think you would be suggesting this is you haven’t gotten the medal and prestige already. My question to you is, would you still be fine with this change if it meant that your prestige and medal were stripped and you had to obtain those items again? -
+1 ! There is no need for /cc to be cluttered with obtainable items. I would be okay with these items being categorized with enchanted gapple and trident, meaning they only need 3 to achieve booklet completion.
As for the netherstars and beacons, while they do require a decent amount of wither skulls, it isn’t impossible. The /cc items should not have items that are just hard to get.
I think removing the dragon egg from /cc would be great! It would add another competitive element to VMR. Whoever gets to the end first and kills the dragon gets the egg for that week. If they already have 3 then it’s an opportunity to make money. Currently, most people who want to go to the end would rather not fight the dragon so they wait until it’s been cleared to go in. The dragon egg not being obtained from rare keys would force everyone to race to the end every week.
The only way to obtain the creeper, skeleton, and zombie head is by a charged creeper blowing the mob up. We attempted this once in order to get some creeper heads and it was successful. However, during the several hours we were working on this we only had 1 lightning storm (which is required along with a channeling trident to charge the creeper). I believe the inability to change the weather is the reason these items are classified as unobtainable.
As for your final comment, Geo has completed 8 booklets and will continue to do so as long as there is still a demand for it and time allows him, he wouldn’t suggest something that would hinder his or anyone else’s progress.
Tl;dr Booklet wasn’t meant to be easy. Items that are obtainable through vanilla minecraft have no reason to be in /cc.-
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*Edited original suggestion to include beacons*-
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Well, argument of the spawning of stuff aside, VMR is already a pretty barren server. As much as this suggestion makes logical sense, removing all those items from the Rare Crate would possibly turn away the players who are still trying to complete booklet if ALL ITEMS you suggested got removed (as I mentioned earlier, I would totally stop my attempt for booklet if that was the case, and another close VMR player to me even said that they possibly would give up as well). After reading the spawns etc. that were shared, I agree that tall fern and double grass should be removed, however I am still against dragon egg, nether star, and beacon.
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-1 there's a reason why they are "unobtainable items"
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By removing beacons and nether stars, assuming that they stay at a requirement of 3, you’d only need to kill the wither 6 times, or 18 wither skeleton heads worth. While not easy, this is totally doable, especially with the mob spawning changes.
As for the dragon egg, I’m a little hesitant to agree with these changes. For those seeking to complete their booklets, this would create a competitive blitz to the end during the first few days of the week, which is fair given the nature of VMR, but the fact that you have to be the first to the end for 3 weeks to even make progress on this item doesn’t sit well with me.-
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I'm going to be denying this, [ONLY BECAUSE] WITH a recommendation:
Please file SEPARATE suggestions for EACH item.
I'd prefer to see community discussion per-item as opposed to larger groups of items like this.
This way, I will be more informed PER ITEM when making a decision.
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