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I believe this may be essential infomation, as I recall this user all of a sudden appearing out of nowhere while mining.

Today, im not sure where, but I was in the miningworld with @idkhowtoplay and @Chundi_Jr . I understand that greif is allowed in the mining world, but this user did seem suspicious for all of a sudden showing up out of nowhere. After I mentioned that this user "Greifed" chundi's shop, users started to TP to the scene, CCCP being one of them. They both disappeared, and after a while everyone left the scene. He was indeed being a bit disrespectful to chundi, and unfortunately I did not get any screenshots.

Edit: @cracker228989 was there, and may be able to vouch for some incidents that occured.

 

One Of These guyswas trolling me and a few friends before i belive you :D

 

This user was trolling as well with Dixan_Cider per this complaint.

 

It seems there are a lot of baseless complaints being said here as well as a lot of twisting of the rules of this server. Let's start at the bottom before we get to the nature of the overall complaint. Before that, though, there seems to be a lot of arbitrary comments here by plenty of non-involveds. I hope special privilege isn't being given here because honestly, that is the nature of this complaint. I'll get to that.

To start:

1. @knears2000 - No, I wasn't doing anything in that complaint. If you watched the video posted as "evidence" you'll realize that. In fact, if you look at the verdict in that complaint, I was found to be doing nothing wrong. Please don't cite things incorrectly.

2. @DarthLauren03 - That's interesting. Apparently anyone at any time, as you did, can come in and claim something without any proof, evidence, or fact? Perhaps I should just say DarthLauren03 "trolled" me; it would carry about as much weight.

3. @CCCPofAmerica - "Screenshots of this event won't be needed, I believe the heavens was looking down." The "heavens" was looking down? Does one have a special privilege not afforded to others? Are you looking for a special protection not afforded to others? I'll address this, but it seems a new theme developing in this server is the ability of some to have moderators become special allies... judge, jury, lawyer, evidence collector, AND executioner. Hmmm...

4. @origamimaster10 - "All of a sudden appeared out of nowhere" - No... I dug down to you. That's incredibly common in the mining world. No law broken; don't twist the rules to imply one was.

"He was indeed being a bit disrespectful to chundi," - ummm what?! LOL. Actually, I was chatting quite cordially. In fact, before I did anything, I had asked and asked and asked for clarification on who had built the structure. I was rudely being ignored, and, since no one replied, I mined it. As far as acting "disrespectful" would you like an admin to bring up the chat logs? I'm sure you'll find I was pleasant, did not use any prohibited language, and was respectful in tone.

"... and unfortunately I did not get any screenshots." - Of course not. I find this to be the theme when trying to impute someone based solely on opinions and feelings. It's not a coincidence.

Now that that's all been addressed, let's address the real issue of the case.

Here we have @CCCPofAmerica making a claim against someone, and while it seems to be a claim of a crime committed, though no crime actually occurs, what he is doing is trying to establish a precedent of an extra level of protection within the mining world that isn't afforded to anyone else. I'll get to that, but first, let's look at the evidence.

a. "I am making a complaint against Samike007 for his abuse of donation features. Samike007, and his friend Dixan_Cider use; fly, near, and vanish to effectively find people and generally harass them"

- "Abuse" of donation features - Tell me, where is the "abuse" going on here. Ironically, you claim, "I have donated a lot of my hard earned USDs to this server" but you don't want people to be able to use the features they have purchased with their "hard earned USDs?" I'd love to hear where the "abuse" is because when you donate your hard earned USDs to a server, you should be able to use the features, right?

- "fly, near, and vanish" - Yes, those are features people use in the mining world. Fly gets you around quickly, near finds people... that's what it's for, and vanish allows you to go invisible. None of these are crimes, and all of these are purchased with hard earned USDs and should be used by those who have them. It seems that you want to restrict people from using these? Hmmm...

- "effectively find people" - Is finding people a crime? No, it's not. In fact, it's quite common. This is a great way to find a spawner (yes, this happens VERY often), or a mine shaft. Using /near to locate someone helps users find things like spawners, mines, hidden rooms, etc. Tell me where the crime is here, please.

- "generally harass them" - Huh? Define "generally," and more importantly, define "harass." It's interesting you provide no evidence of what actually happened when you were found. There are no videos, no screenshots, nothing, and, in a true shady manner, your only evidence is perhaps the opinion of a moderator that it seems you're able to get special protection and privileges from. For instance, where is my moderator that I can personally use to corroborate my story? Regardless, where are you being "harassed?" Why do you list no evidence of this "trolling process" at all? Oh, I know... because there is none. In fact, I dug down to you, said maybe "hi"... and then I watched you walk around. I might have broken one or two arbitrary blocks, saw that you weren't at anything important, and decided to do nothing but watch you. Watching someone, by the way, isn't a crime. You then TP'd away, and oh, by golly, I was able to dig down to you and your friends (again, finding someone isn't illegal; that's why /near exists, and if finding someone was illegal, than perhaps ECC is making money off a feature that can't even be used), said maybe 3 words, and watched you again. Frankly, I think the burden of proof is on you to prove this "generally harass them" claim, because it's a pretty hefty one, and it seems like no actual harassment happened. Using /near to find someone, digging down to them, and seeing what's up isn't harassment.

But to address that as a brief side-bar, you know what IS harassment:

- If we placed lava around you
- If we dug below you so you fell
- If we placed water to push you to a place that killed you
- If we somehow killed your character, on purpose, while you weren't AFK, with the intent to kill it

You know what's interesting? None of this happened. At all. Ever. You were found (again, legal), dug down to (digging downward in the mining world is legal), and watched. Prove the crime here.

Moving forward:

You claim, "I went to a new land, sure enough Samike007 finds me." - Again, not against the rules. Why else would /near exist. When people move in the mining world, they might move to a spawner or some hidden chests. This is a great opportunity to see where they are going. On top of that, there is no rule stipulating how often, how quickly, or how frequently /near exists. What ISN'T happening, is any kind of hack to go directly to you. What is happening is a game feature is being used, as is intended, to find people in the mining world. That's why it takes the reputed "4 minutes" to find you. It's being used as it's intended to be used. That's all.

"Today, Samike007 once again showed up out of nowhere and proceeded to follow me around. I contacted RevanRose, and /wildland like she recommended. Samike007 sure enough found me within 4 minutes of moving to WILD land. " - Yes, using /near isn't illegal, and watching someone isn't illegal either. Where is the crime being committed? Were you pushed with water? Was lava placed around you? Were blocks broken below you? No, no, and no. You were found, watched, and that's it. Crime? Prove it.

Now, let's address your accusations about this "process."

1. They pick their "prey" - HAHA what? "Prey???" Seriously, dude, please spare the drama. /near does not discriminate, and neither do we. We find people. That's what it's there for. You're nothing special, and neither is any other person in this game. To use "prey" is quite silly. Are we targeting "prey" when we build houses for people, help them find resources, offer them apartments for their safety, give people free spawners? Spare the drama.

2. They go and initially meet and follow them. (first trolling encounter) - So where is the crime here? You claim we meet people? Yes. Crime? No. We might follow or watch what they're doing, sure. Is that a crime? Absolutely not. Please find me in the ECC rules where it says, "thou shalt not follow another user." Fact: it doesn't. We aren't doing anything to any users that endanger them... so tell me where the crime is.

3. The target generally leaves to a new plot or tries to escape. - The "target?" I thought they were "prey." Again, twisting and using dramatic language does not a case make. Please spare from unnecessary labels.

4. Dixan_Cidar flys around using their near command to locate this member. - Flying isn't illegal. In fact, he is using this feature quite legally, right? Using /near isn't illegal, is it? I mean, this is what the feature exists for, right? You don't think he should be smart and perhaps use fly to cover more ground, legally, when using /near to find people, legally? What we have here is two features being used exactly how they were intended to be used. In fact, I've had plenty of spawners broken by users doing the same thing: flying around, using /near to find me... digging down to me at a spawner, and breaking it. Crime? None.

5. Once the target is located again, Samike007 is TPA'd in and told where the member exactly is and how far away. - Here we go again with this "target." It's irrelevant, and you're only using dramatic language to boost your case. Samike007 is on the surface and has to dig, just like anyone else, down to the found user. As far as the "told where the member exactly is and how far away" - um, what? No, you can see usernames from the surface. They shine through the land. What you just stated is made up. Sorry.

6. At this time Samike007 starts this trolling process over and over. - Huh? What "trolling" process? Again, finding someone isn't trolling. Digging to them isn't trolling. You're not having lava placed around you. You're not being pushed via water. You're not having blocks broken below you. Tell me what the crime is here? This is central to your case, and it appears you have none.

7. During all of this, Dixan_Cidar is sitting vanished. - No, not really. What he is doing, and how he appears while doing it during his game play is his business and also irrelevant here.

So... We've addressed your claim of "abuse." It turns out people are using features exactly as they're intended to be used. We've addressed the claim of "harassment" to which none is done. All actions such as finding, watching, following someone are legal. You're not being harassed at all...

But this leads to the main issue: you want special protection in the mining world. How? By filing this claim, you're effectively scaring people, who have used their "hard earned USDs" to purchase in-game enhancements, into not using them. Additionally, you're scaring people into not being around you. This would effectively give you protection in the mining world. For example... let's say a user finds you at a spawner. You love your spawner as you exploit it (which is totally fine) to build your XP. It's quite valuable to you, and you don't want to lose it. Now someone finds your spawner, and oh my, it would be drastic if you lost it. What do you do?

Simple, you start levying complaints against them... claiming they are breaking rules ("abusing features???"), harassing, "trolling" etc.

What then happens? You have created a realm where you have systematically made yourself invincible in the mining world. If word of this spreads, no one will ever go near you.

One of the proofs of this is you say this: "taking the minerals I had found." It's the mining world; it doesn't matter who found a mineral. For example... say you're mining and you uncover some diamonds below you. Someone who is mining near you sees them and comes over to get them for him/herself. You are going to claim they are "yours" and being angry that you didn't get those diamonds, you're going to file a complaint, as you did here. Again, as I've said, you will have rendered yourself protected. You will be able to mine in the mining world, retaining spawners and getting minerals in a selective manner because people will be too afraid to get near you out of fear of repercussions.

Additionally, you tip your hat to your emotion-based fraternization on this server: " am sick of trolls like Samike007, and Dixan_Cider granted access to a server to troll the "core" members." What is a "core" member? Should you be afforded more protection than someone else? Are you asking for discrimination? Dixan_Cider and I run our lives how we run our lives. We're members of this server just like you. Who is "core?" Ohhhh, it's someone who wants to set a precedent of being able to protect himself in the mining world by claiming he is harassed and scaring people from ever going near him. In my opinion, that's pretty shady. To claim you're "core" or different above anyone else is just silly. Dixan and I own a town, we're the member of another town, we have millions of Eco-dollars in assets and tons of resources. We make trades, do ereps, TP people, offer apartments to people, farm, and do everything like anyone else. How dare you imply that you're special and deserve special treatment. How dare you imply that you should be so powerful that people should be banned at your behest simply because you don't like the way in which they play. You claim people are trolls but yet you provide no evidence other than dramatic language. You think admins work at your demand, and you impute people for playing the game. That's a shame. That's what's really going on here.

Finally, the fact that you state this, "I will obviously expect a reasonable, knowledgable response to this post" shows your arrogance that makes you think you're above other users.

 

Longest post I have ever seen.

 

@CCCPofAmerica your blatant contempt of "tl;dr" is no surprise. You seem to act as if you're above other players. I address every single complaint you made, and your reply is "tl;dr." To me, that shows that my side of the story is irrelevant, and that you don't show respect for people to even hear their side. Yes, makes you seem like you have the attitude of "I'm better than you; your reply isn't worthy of my attention." Your complaint against me, regardless of how hollow it is, was read and respected. I would expect the same reverence from you. I guess I was wrong.

Sadly, you just think you can make claims against them, recommend they get banned, and since you think you have an admin on your side, you'll just get your wish regardless of evidence or their views on the subject. Your reply shows your nature here.

 

"I am not reading a 2 page post about something everyone knows is happening." - That you have absolutely no case? No... I'm sorry, "everyone knows is happening" is again you asserting your opinions as fact.

They're not. Hence my post. It absolutely shows that no crime is committed AND it shows that you seem to think you're so connected with admins that you can just tell them your opinions and poof! people get banned.

The fact remains: we need evidence, proof, and not just the subjective opinions of someone who doesn't like what's going on. I addressed your claims, showed them to be hollow, showed my/our actions to be legal per ALL game rules, and I'd expect you to refute them or drop the case. What you seem to be doing is expecting some kind of special treatment here that allows you to call for people being banned while supporting that claim with no actual reason or rule broken for them to be kicked.

 

Okay, I don't want to see any more posts here unless they contain any evidence or anything else of use. This is starting to turn into a flame war, so stop.

 

Flame war? Me being accused of a crime, stating my case clearly, having someone disrespect it by not even reading it, and me requesting evidence and not getting it? I don't believe it is; it'd just like to see some actual answers to lack of evidence here. I think I have a right to defend myself, as I have, in that regard.

 

Inamine has told you to stop commenting unless it contains viable evidence. A comeback as to what a mod has said is not necessary whatsoever. Please do not comment further unless you have evidence to support your side.

 

Hello,

First of all I would like to say that if any player on this server PM's me and says 'I need you here in vanish.' I check their location, I vanish, and I go there. Moderators are the arbitrators, the protectors, and the judges of this server. If I choose to protect the community by becoming a moderator then I see no issue with that. This 'new theme' has only developed in your eyes because a good portion of the people you trolled have contacted myself or other staff to monitor the situation.

I have, however, not seen any rules broken since the last warning I issued you and Dixan_Cider regarding your behavior. That being said, I expect you to not continue breaking server rules. If I find that you have continued breaking the troll rule, I will handle it appropriately. The incidents that I witnessed yesterday, do not currently fall under trolling. Following people in the mining world is fine. If it turns into trolling/abuse of features again, then I will deal with it. As of right now, I will not be taking any action regarding this issue.

Locked and Dismissed