The Art of Swindling

Kmaxwell you are my favourite staff member.

 

It's not about the actual name of the thing, iron ingots have been called iron bars by everyone for a VERY long time, and it can easily be confused with the other.
Why not comply and just name them iron fences? This seems like a logical and fair solution, and if you can't see that then you are very narrowminded and you should not even bother arguing about this.

And yes, people should also pay attention to what they're buying and they should make sure the item is what they think it is.

 

That was rude...I was aplogizing because I gave you the wrong /itemdb command in the first post. What I was trying to say was one of the alternate names of iron ingots is iron bar, while an alternate name of iron fences is iron bars.

 

I have to agree with you completely. Users need to take the time to fully understand what it is they are buying, it's the responsibility of the buyer to know that. On the other hand, we need to crack down on users whom use this as a scam. If people are knowingly tricking others into buying something they don't want, THAT is a scam.

In my opinion: Buyers beware! Know that this is happening and make sure you don't fall victim to unfair swindlers.

 

In my opinion, the auction in example one could have been nullified by the buyer because what they were expecting is NOT what they got. And it is possible that the seller purposefully attempted to cause this confusion. However, if ANYONE attempts to sell IRON BARS they should be subject to the possibility that the buyer may nullify the auction because of the fact that regardless of whether the seller was selling iron FENCES or iron INGOTS, the buyer could say that they expected the other. Of course, the buyer could give them the other if that is what the buyer expected and the seller wants to do so, imo.

The bottom line is that iron bars is not the real name of anything and only the truly knowledgeable would realize this fact. When in doubt an auctioneer should be required to use the unambiguous name of an item if it is possible that the name that is being used could be confused with the name of something else that has a different server value or street value. And if it is reasonable to argue that the auctioneer used an ambiguous name and the buyer could reasonably expect that they were getting a different item then the buyer should be allowed to nullify the sale and report the auctioneer for scamming if the auctioneer is not willing to nullify the sale and return any money that has already been paid.

A great example would be "selling eff 5 unb 3 ST pick". On the surface, one would expect that the pick is a diamond pick, I mean who would do that to a wood pick or even an iron one? But, at the end of the auction it turns out that the pick for some strange reason is indeed WOOD. In my opinion, it is reasonable to have expected that the pick is diamond. Unless the auctioneer specifically says that the pick is wood, stone, or iron, it is very reasonable to assume that it is diamond.

I'm not worried too much for myself. Trick me into buying something that I don't want, shame on me. But, I should know better. My 10-year old son, however, might not. Heck, my 14-year old son might not and he is pretty darned smart for a 14-year old.

 

I've advised bluesteel to take this to the suggestions section. Honestly, I do believe that something could be changed in the /itemdb to clear this issue up for now.

Buyers DO need to take caution though, as they would in the real world.

 

Alright, since you're still concerned about this I will help to clarify this.

Regarding Ironbar and Ironbars we have users to clarify what they're actually selling by calling iron bars iron fence or iron bar fence, and iron ingots to be iron ingots. The reasons we do not need to post this up on the forum telling everyone about it is because it was already in our rules, see below.

As to your rather lengthy complaint about signs were people are selling dirt for 500$, I believe if you go back to where you find such signs you will find another sign by it saying something among the lines of "Donate to my shop" which is completely within the rules if they have that sign. However if they do not have that sign and you wish to report it as a scam, you may. However we ask you to use common sense before reporting some, as you said no person in their right mind would actually pay 500$ per block of dirt.

However for your last paragraph you are right, we currently have do not have rules specifying the creation and placement of trade signs, as of yet there has not been anything major that forced us to put rules in place. For the most part trade signs follow the rules of trades, and you /should/ inform people what they're buying or selling to/from you. The only place I see this might be a problem is the spawn markets, where there is limited space for a user to describe what another user is to buy or sell at their market stall.

Thank you for posting your concerns in such a mature and professional manner, I look forward from hearing from you again.

- Netsui, AI Unit.

 

well Dfat I have seen you be a little rude to some ppl before, I dont have screenshots yet but hopefully will soon because its unacceptable and not accepting apologies isn't rude. And to kukelekuuk00 I didn't say I wouldn't comply I think its silly if somebody should get in trouble for using the actual name of an item And im not argueing I am posting my opinion that it is fair to say selling iron bars then sell iron bars, and sticking to that opinion saying it will not not change. I play a few servers so ive always called items by the tag , Dfat Ive never heard of that command until ofcourse you told me so thanks I learned something. I will say Iron Fence but I dont think any1 should be warned they are misleading people if they say iron bars because its the actual name inless andrewkm changes the tag and short names to make it less confusing. It is not our faults the names are similar and that some people dont know the difference.

 

Personally I don't see the problem and I feel that nothing should have happened, no warning, nothing. In the minecraft world, iron bars and iron ingots are two very distinct things and if a buyer is confused, they should ask for clarification.

I don't know the full story behind this so feel free to ignore my post.

 

This thread is more than "ironbars" vs. "ironbar".

It raises the issue of the fine line between a scamming seller and a careless buyer. At which point can a user get banned for bending the rules? That is the question.

 

Lol he said he was selling iron bars (http://imgur.com/LDk26) not the ingots if you say your selling iron bars your selling iron bars not ingots therefore this is perfectly legal just the users should know what it is their buying.

 

Yes, you have a valid point. It's just the fact that the term "iron bars" is regularly interchanged with the term "iron ingots". A simple /itemdb change will fix this.

 

: Thank you Netsui for taking the time to read and comment on this thread. I would like to understand why you think that calling an item by its given name (iron bars in this case) is a *Mystery Auction*. I do not think this was a *Mystery Auction* as I said I was selling iron bars and sold the iron bars. My understanding of a *Mystery Auction* is when you are selling something that is unknown is an unknown item? I admit that I am selling an item for more than the sell hand value (a crime I am sure everyone on this server has commited) but in no way is selling "ironbars" a scam - it is up to the wn, iron bars is a known item as shown by the previous posts in this thread. Why do you think selling iron bars buyer to understand what they are purchasing.

 

To be honest, your life on ECC will be much more simple if you call iron ingots, "iron ingots" and iron fences, "iron fences". This avoids confusion, possible scam reports, and will be much more easier for everyone.

To go into more detail, the iron bar is an iron ingot. A possible scam could occur when using the plural form of bar, bars. For example, "Selling 10 iron bar for $80!" would be selling 10 iron ingots for $8 each. While a grammatically correct person would type, "Selling 10 iron barS for $80!". This could be determined to be either iron fences or iron ingots.

Therefore, make everything simple and everyone happy as to call iron ingots, "iron ingots" and iron fences, "iron fences".

This would be my "two cents".

 

We simply ask that you clarify what you are selling to other users, not every user knows that Iron bars are an actually item and not just Iron ingots as they are commonly referred to as bars of iron an iron bar.

 

We understand that there was a misunderstanding. The server has been recommended not to sell iron fences as "iron bars" and a suggestion will be made for changing /itemdb ironbars.

Problem solved.

Edit: Here's the suggestions page I made:
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/change-the-itemdb-of-ironbars.30533/

 

But RyanJF1 they are called "iron bars" so your saying we shouldnt call them what they are?
And that "iron fence" is a better idea?

Sorry but I disagree

 

Iron Ingots have been called iron bars for a long time. Many people call them iron bars currently. This causes confusion.

To answer your question, yes, iron fence is a better idea.

 

How much clearer can u get from calling the 2 items thier actual name?