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Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by 7amoodw, Jul 21, 2014.

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  1. Aqqel

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    It still is an amount. Honestly I don't think you are getting the point. They were being very generous to non kit users installing this no kit sg. Which I didn't personally like because I bought kits and to not be able to use them 1/6th of the time is obsurd. Also you copied someone's suggestion. They posted it before you. http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/increase-the-chance-of-having-no-kits-sg.102897/

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  2. Aqqel

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    Sorry double post
     
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    -1 purchased kits to use them not to let them be wasted.
     
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    coming form a kitter ok +1
     
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    You complain that it's already not enough and then you say that raising it won't hardly change it at all. If it's not a distinctive enough change then I don't see the point of adding it. -1
     
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    I swear if this is added they may need to start refunding users. I bought my kits having them all ++ so I could always use them...
     
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    -10220, sorry :(
     
  8. 7amoodw

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    1/6 chance of not using your kits is absurd you say. Well, 5/6 chances of you using clearrly gives you the advantage here.
    The only time refunds would occur is that when kits are totally removed from ECC. This won't happen. Also, you can leave a game and join another for you to use some kits.
    1/6 > 1/8. Do I need to explain further mathematcis? It's simple. I chose 1/6 because kit users still deserve and advantage. Giving it a slight boost is better than nothing.
    If you do not have ++ kits, the kits you used in the no kit game will automatically restart. Meaning that if you leave and sg and join another one which happens to be a kit SG, you can re-use the kits without the wait.
     
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  9. Aqqel

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    Dude just stop. We need our kits. I want to use them. If you keep raising the amount we can't use them this is ridiculous
     
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  10. 7amoodw

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    *Takes out probability flowchart*

    Ok, time for some simple mathematics.

    At this current 1/8 chance:

    The chances of having a kits game followed by another kit game is: 49/64 (76.6%)

    For a no kits game followed by a no kits game, it is: 1/64 (1.56%)

    At this current stage, if you ever run into a no kits game you can really '/sg leave', join another game and hope that your 98.4% chance of a kit game does occur. (That's pretty high).


    If we do introduce 1/6 chance:

    The chances of a kit game followed by another kit game is: 25/36 (69.4%)

    For a no kits game followed by a no kits game, it is: 1/36 (2.78%)

    Now, for the part that really concerns you, the '/sg leave' part. Here's the math for it:

    For 1/8 chance, the chances of having a no kits game followed by a kit games is : 7/64 (10.9%)

    For a kit games followed by a no kits game: (Same as above).

    Well you may say 10% is low and I won't '/sg leave' and go in another kit game. Think again, 10.9% is way more than 1.56%.

    If we do implement the 1/6 chance, the chances of having a no kit game followed by a kit game is: 5/36 (13.9%)

    You see, while the chance of a no kit game to happen gets higher so does the chance of a kit game following it does.

    (Chances of a no kit game @ 1/6 is 16.7%, this is a 4.17% increase from 1/8) In return, there's a 3% increase for a kit game to follow a no kit game.

    Therefore, you can secure a kit game to occur after the no kit game (You can use /sg leave if you do not want to play).

    Now to the main point, K/D ratio being lowered when typing '/sg leave'. I decided to use my current SG stats to do the mathematics.

    Note: Points do not change when you die, the k/d ratio and amount of deaths do change only.

    Stats taken from me:
    Kills : 9524
    Deaths : 1778
    K/D : 5.357

    Ok, let's start from here. Say you just left a game meaning that you had an extra death. That means your new K/D is:

    5.354

    The percentage decrease is: 0.056% That's not a lot. Considering you can put on Buffer and gather way more kills to not only maintain it but also increase the K/D ratio.

    Final note I would like to add is: Please do read this, I spent a lot of time doing all of this mathematics. While it was really simple, I had to gather up information that is necessary to go with it. These mathematical figures are all to do with probability.

    Probability is just chances of occurring. Thus these numbers do give us a rough estimate of how rare it is or how common it is.

    Please, and please do not say 'I paid for kits to use them every game' Or 'No, I want my kits every game' , You agreed on server terms and also in the end you are just trying to repeat yourself in a debate. In a debate, you are to persuade me to join your side of the discussion. Repeating your line over and over while I try to pull out a counter merely does anything. Once again, read what I posted and put it into consideration. No need to be biased. Just look at it and see if it does any help.

     
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    7am maybe you do not mind so much about the sg scoreboard but those that do not have all of the medals currently do. The survival games is not just about making money it is also about getting those points towards the medals. Your proposition would not only limit the amount of money we can make from the survival games but also reduce ours stats and for those that enjoy using their kits, fun.
     
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    +1 i agree this is a good suggestion
     
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    Let me say this, leaving a game in no way does affect your points towards your medals. If you care about K/d, which is not needed for medals nor Ecodollars, then it will affect it slightly (Read the maths I posted). Also, it's a slight chance of a no kit game, you can make all your money from kit SG and leave and join another kit game for EcoDollars. If this is implemented in no way would you lose the chance of making EcoDollars. Also note that no kit SG games do offer more money per kill if you wish to participate. Even if you don't win, 150$/kill is nice to have.
    Lastly, there is no fun in one-hitting other people. There is no skill involved. All you need is a good connection and boom, who lands the first hit wins. In no kits, you do enjoy the game as you actually play Survival Games.
     
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    Andrew isn't refunding, anyone. I paid for my eff7, then there was a mining nerf. I didn't get no damn refund, same thing here. You can still use your kit EVERY GAME - the one game every 20 that's no kit.
    Finally! Some skill is needed! Skill is needed to succeed, hence why the stat page is filled with buffer players all over it. I quit SG because of buffer and kits, I've got CC++ and spy, so don't say I'm biased. But the fact that you say that you NEED your kits every game, shows that you can't handle the heat. You've become so acclimated to the kit environment, that you don't think you need a little skill. Share the wealth for once. My work here is done.
     
  15. 7amoodw

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    I would like to thank you as you just brought up another thing I'd like to add on.

    The SG leader-boards should be based on the skill you have, not just the amount of people you 1-hit. Before you say anything about those who used kits to their advantages and got the medals without skill. Think about it ECC-wise. People bought an eff 7 after nerfs, and they just went with it. People bought a melon sword after melon blocks got nerfed. People got pump axes before pumps got nerfed (Keep in mind pumps made most of the money and helped with herbalism skill level). For me, this is kinda the same thing, you still use your kits but there's a no kit game that happens once every blue moon. You can choose to skip it or just enjoy the game. Trust me, it is fun playing without kits. For me, I feel proud winning one of those. I really do.
     
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    +1 I like no kit sgs, therefore I like this suggestion.
     
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    i do have ++ so again would be a waste. if i could have refunds back to + sure go for it otherwise no.
     
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    Tell me how is it a waste? It's that one game that you can simply leave and join another and hope for a kit game (which by the way has a high chance of occurring).

    Also, if you bothered to read my posts above, no refunds occur unless the feature is removed from ECC. You agreed to this seeing as you're a President (Wiki states this).
     
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    i do understand there wouldn't be a refund, if your idea was accepted i would want one.
    it is a waste to me if i join a game and get a no kit game when wanting a kit game i actually enjoy playing BOTH i think the 1/8th is fine.
    an increase to it i believe is unnecessary and takes away from those who purchased kits.
     
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