At least 4/4??? Ex-Mods are proven, maybe they just didn't have enough time. They should not be disqualified from picks because you say "we don't have enough new faces" Is 2 new mods not enough? I mean think, every new mod has to be taught.
Hello, I don't know how much my opinion will matter in this issue, but, here goes. I have never been demoted nor resigned since I got my position on the staff team. I have seen new mods and old mods come and go. My staff pick was almost completely new blood. Many recent staff picks were almost completely new blood. New Faces Who Have Gotten Staff Since My Pick or During my Pick: Core, HCPillarofFire, 3Point14pmp, a18greek18, lavajok, pbrassat17, Lady_Frost, Alarah, Spidawg, Nico, Sick, Phys, vtNick and myself, Revanrose6 All of those players got staff as new faces in the last 5 months. We have had 1 staff pick, the recent one, in many in which the majority were returning staff. If you looked at previous apps many many ex-mods were denied for the past 5 months. Some just got back on the staff team and others did not get picked. We are not biased to ex-mods. We look at who is qualified and who we believe would do a good job. I personally feel that if someone leaves because real life needs to come first, then I understand. Ajp left because he had a baby. That is a big deal and now that he can handle it, he wanted to return. I see no issue with our current system and stand firmly behind it. I have a feeling that both current and previous mods could easily tell you that the issue isn't "So who has worked here before?" Because the fact is that doesn't always make a person qualified. The issue is, who is qualified? Who would do a good job? Revanrose6
I am not saying that cannot get mod again. I am just suggesting they must wait just one round, to prove they will still remain active. People can say they are active, but then might have to leave again for certain reasons. I am not denying that mods that have resigned or demoted are good mods. I am just saying they have to prove they can remain active and follow the rules, for just one round.
Jetscat is amazing, he is an ex-mod right? So he shouldn't be here! Here is a hypothetical situation: Ok, so let's say Andrew has 2 picks an ex-mod and a new user who seems nice. Andrew says hmm I Guess I will pick the new mod. So Andrew picks the new mod and turns away the experienced ex-mod. The next day the new mod goes rouge, and bans tons of innocent users, causing for down time. The if Andrew had picked the ex-mod whom he knew was trustworthy nothing would have happened. Now this is of course a hypothetical situation but it could happen, so Andrew picks the ex-mod because they have already proven themselves and Andrew knows they'll be a plus for the community.
I think the 1 round wait is acceptable, however some people in the thread are trying to deny ex-mods forever.
This drives me insane when I see this but let me throw my two cents in. You are right, every time an ex-mod applies for staff, they usually get that position. For example (I'm not trying to be mean in any way), rosypoly, she reapplied for mod and got the position. See, where you flaw in your suggestion here is that if you would read the staff requirements, andrew does not pick these kinds of ex-staff members. Rosy, she reapplied after what, 3-4 months after getting off the staff team? That I believe is a good amount of time to be able to reapply for staff. Now onto the ones that got demoted, they should have the right as every other player to reapply for staff but they would have in some way be able to prove their loyalty. Not allowing them on staff again is cruel and not right. Everyone mayor+ has the ability to apply for staff, if this rule is broken by not allowing them to apply, it would be unconstitutional for breaking equal rights to all players and would look extremely bad on ECC's reputation. Well, thats my two cents.
Since when is ECC equal to all players?, and it can't be unconstitutional because ecc doesn't have a constitution. I wouldn't effect ecc reputation, a mod that has been demoted has shown there in-capacity to follow the rules or complete there job. There are a few exceptions but this is generically the case.
They got demoted, okay, not good but that doesn't mean that they can't reapply for mod. By unconstitional I mean like the wiki is a constitution or the law of the land. It would make ECC look bad because not allowing another player to apply for something when they meet the requirements makes ECC look like a butt. I understand, they do have to wait a little while if some of you bother to read the staff requirements page.
I can understand why demoted people would have to wait to try again. I mean, look at rule breakers, they get longer and longer and longer bans, and finally, if after so many longer bans, if they still don't follow the rules, andrew will possibly perma-ban them. I can agree with the fact that, yes, demoted staff should have to wait a while. Being staff is a serious position and should not be taken lightly. I can understand that, if someone is demoted more then once, they should have to wait a good while to apply again, even if they change their ways. They have to accept punishment for their actions. As for not letting people who resigned back on staff, that's a different answer. Resigned people usually have important irl issues to take care of. While I know new people are always eager to get on staff, there should still be plenty of people there who know what to do. Just because something comes up so that I can't be staff anymore, and i step down, why should i have to wait to try again? And as for the same group of people running stuff, there is not always the same group. Some people, yes some, are probably gonna be on staff for a long time, and have been on staff for a long time. But that group is small, some people come for a while, then go. I've seen plenty and plenty of new staff over the past few months, so as for making staff who resigned have to wait, I'm going to have to say no to that one.
Let's look at this Current staff on first tenure: RyanJF1 revanrose6 zardgyer 3point14mp generaljoecool Physicistsmom jakeyray18 Core_Diver HCPillarofFire Trevalynfar clou44 lavajok pbrassat17 Lady_Frost Nicodemux sick24 Total 16 Current staff on second or more tenure: Kukelekuuk00 glockemdown jetscat Glooble Joliver1998 rosypolly ajp79 Delucaco Da_Tirtow Alarah Total: 10 Excluding GameAdmins, I wanted to get more recent staff in The ratio is For everyone 8 new mods there are 5 ex mods You're a bit off aren't ya, and even if it's 2/6, how is it 'Sad' what's wrong with ex staff, as everyone else has said, they know what they're doing. I have no problem with seeing either on our staff team.
About not reinstating demoted staff...: There have been several cases of people getting demoted from inactivity; several of those cases of inactivity were due to sudden emergencies, medical issues, internet going down without being able to be fixed, etc. If all DEMOTED staff had to wait a long, long period of time and/or prove themselves worthy again, it would not be fair in the slightest. Staff members do not always have control over whether they are demoted or not. Or, in other words: Staff demotions are not always for bad things or mistakes on the staff member's part. As for resignations and coming back to staff, well... Over the past year, I have seen far more "new blood" added than ex-staff. Although many ex-staff do leave temporarily for real life, many more also leave the server entirely, or go inactive for many months (whom I see only get back on staff after a while of being active again, most times). For example, I have been a SM twice on ECC (resignation-demotion and resignation; two long periods of moderating), but my play time would not be enough to get me back on Staff. I would have to try hard to be active, friendly, helpful, etc if I wanted to get back on Staff. However, when it comes to getting back on staff (for either demotion or after resignation), I do believe there should be at least one promotion period that should be skipped. At least. The average time between each round of staff applications is a month and a half, which is enough time to get thru the time of real life keeping someone busy (usually, not always), better their ways, come back from an unexpected period of inactivty, etc. Though... Some people resign or get demoted a week or two before apps; it would be hard to track, but I do think they should wait through that round before trying to apply. (Resignations and demotions tend to instigate new rounds of staff applications, so...)
Moofink you have a good point, if I can rephrase my post up there a bit, I was referring to staff that were demoted for breaking the rules, not for being inactive/ect.
-1 Everyone should get a chance, maybe de-modded players will be less likely, but everyone is judged equally based on their apps.
