Thread Title:
Remove Insta-sell feature and use chest shops to stop rampant over-farming for easy profits by selling massive amounts of materials instantly.
Minecraft Name:
SlipperyDingus
Suggestion:
To remove the /sell hand feature in favor of a more realistic "Major" economy. Use the Chest shop plugin only so that the prices in the economy are based on supply and demand so that over harvested materials (Pumpkins, Wheat, Sugarcane, etc..) would quickly regulate into a proper price. Currently the server allows u sell easily and quickly grown renewable resources that sell for prices that are even higher then harder to get materials such as wood, coal, iron. If people actually had to sell the items they grow the economy would make a lot more sense because people couldn't just hold down a mouse button collecting pumpkins or wheat and then sell a whole inventory for thousands of dollars. Massive farms would not longer exist because the materials would flood the market with too few people to buy them and the price would plummet.
Reason:
Money is far too easy to get for this to be a major economy server. The /sell hand feature allows far too easy profits because in a real economy u need a base of consumers to actually sell your products to. This would eliminate the problem where the only fast way to get money is farming crops in unrealistic numbers and selling them instantly to some entity that seemingly has unlimited cash. I'm not saying u cant make money on other things, as u can but it is much slower then the mega farming operations and doesn't make sense. Why can u sell a piece of wheat which takes u half a second to harvest sell for 1.75 when a piece of coal which must be mined from the ground or the side of a mountain and takes considerably more effort to get is only worth 1.00. :?
Other Information:
Much more realistic then the current system and based off a real economic principal (Supply & Demand) :idea:
Link to this plugin:
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/econ-c ... r1-2.4150/ although I'm fairly sure u already use this plugin for the existing chest shops.
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SlipperyDingus BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Resident ⚒️
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-1 Nooooooo, this could not be done. It would make a TON of players rage.
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Without /sell all ways of farming are being destroyed. (Farming is all about /sell)
Tradesigns serve the same purpose. (We don't have chestshops) -
SlipperyDingus BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Resident ⚒️How do the sign shops work? like when someone buys an item does it come out of your inventory or is it somehow linked to a storage chest? I always thought the server shop used chests but Ive never heard of a sign shop. How do the mechanics work? Couldn't /sell hand also be removed in favor of just using trade signs if they work kinda the same way as chest shops?
Its just the mechanics of a fixed price instant selling system that creates a very lousy representation of an "Economy" At the very least the server sell prices need to vary somehow based on the inflow of produce such as if too many people are farming wheat or pumpkins the price falls to a unprofitable level so people need to seek a proper balance.
I really cant say that running around chopping pumpkins to sell at insanely high prices instantly to a server should even be called an "Economy" at all. -
THIS IS MADNESS!!! /sell hand allows ease of selling instead of complicated stuff like making a giant chest shop selling everything... it would be a waste to sell cobblestone or wood. think of the poor builders...
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skinny664521903 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️
i like the idea of getting rid of /sell command it makes the player have to go to other players for things maybe there could still be a server sell shop where everything is the same price as / sell but u have to sell one by one
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Crossphyre BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️
It would be something to test, like maybe for a week or month. It is an interesting idea, but it would take a lot of adjusting. Honestly, I would like to test it out for a week or so, the mabye there could be a pole about which one to keep.
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CrunchyQuailz BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️
-1 No way. I just spent my whole balance on a 200x200 farm.....
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i get all my money from /sell not many servers have it and if it goes witch i dont think it will so do i :D
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SlipperyDingus BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Resident ⚒️And this is one of the reasons that something needs to change lol. The only thing anyone does on this server is farm stuff. I thought this was EcoCityCraft not MegaFarmCraft. Money is far to easy to get even just using a small wilderness pumpkin farm it only took me like 3 days to get resident. If u actually rent out a huge pumpkin farm u can get more then enough for resident in a single day. I thought resident rank was supposed to mean your "In it for the long haul" not some guy still on his first day on the server lol. At the prices of farmed materials it should be 85k for resident and like 500k for mayor lol.
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Crossphyre BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Tycoon ⚜️⚜️⚜️Well, if Andrew sees that, I am sure he would try to change that. I am pretty sure that he said there is supposed to be a balenced economy. With farming, and now exp farming, the tables have turned.
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/sell is how money even gets into the economy.
/sell is those people who print money.
/sell is printing money.
/sell is the money...
Every sever I have ever seen that uses chest-related shopping failed quick quickly, confused almost everyone, made everyone rage, never worked out right, and generally was not a good server or did not stay "good" for very long. They are a pain and too confusing for most players; even older players who take time to try and learn how something works.
If that chest-shop plugin somehow changes prices automatically based on amount of items in the system/inventories/etc., I can easily see it causing major lag by constantly checking everyone and every chest for items, and then changing prices. That is the impression I'm getting from this suggestion, at least... Would cause major issues.
As others have also said... It's probably not compatible with Essentials. Most everything we use is Essentials-related. We will not do a whole server plugin rehaul, lose several of our plugins, having compatibility issues, lag/bugs, etc. just to even test something like this out. It just... won't work.
Changing something so drastically this "late" into a server will also kill the server - whether by lag, upset users, or a disliked playing style. This would be a major change, and major changes just don't work when you've been using the same system on a popular server for over a year.
I hate to make it all sound negative, but.. it really won't work very well. :/ Much as I like to see some changes and things done differently, there are far too many cons. -
asphyxiatorslove BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️Farming is not the only good way to make money. You're obviously doing some thing wrong if you're not making a decent amount of income off of mining, which is where I get the majority of my monies.
Not to mention if you go about your town(s) in a smart way you can make a decent amount of money off of them as well.
Farming is the Easiest source of income in the game. All you have to do is hold down two buttons and you can make money. -
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