not to mention that some wise guy finds a loophole (like claiming that his fake melonsword was magically "butchered") and then keeps doing the same thing legally thats a scam its clearly a scam but he doesn't give a damn because he has no fear of getting in trouble or losing anything. his risk vs. reward is WAY out of whack.
How about if the fine went to the victim of the scam? Sometimes I see scams where people stretch their loan until they're banned. Then they just apologize and pay it back.
I think it would work better if the money went back to the server. if the mods feel that the person who was scammed deserves their money back than they should get it, but they shouldnt get more. it would incite people to try to trick people into looking like they were scammed to make money. There should be a substantial fine, and that money should go to the server.
That is true. Many people would set others up. The fine should be effective, but not too much of a burden. Some people take advantage of loans and don't pay until the loaner gets fed up.
To prevent abuse of power, as someone previously said, auto mail the person being fined with the name of the GA and the amount fined. This can be used as evidence if it was abuse of power.
Like Revan said, this was suggested before, and good points were made. It causes a lot of extra work for staff. And can be abused easily. I know that staff is generally trusted, but sometimes people put them on a glowing shining cloud coming out of the sky. "Staff can do no wrong!" But staff, is you and me. Even GA's can abuse this. Granted, GA's don't generally go around abusing commands. But look at the history of ECC. There have been dozens of cases of people abusing massive dupes, glitches, and money scams. Including staff. Some of you, back at the start of ECC, will remember some key people who did some major things, some even, who are staff members today. Yes, you heard me, staff members today, who were in really hot water way back when. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm not trying to single you out. I'm trying to explain, no one is trustworthy. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone with access to drain my balance. Besides ofc, Andrew (And probably Sky too), because if he went bananas, there's no reason to keep playing ECC Staff is becoming more of a full time job, then a half time job while playing MC. Yes, scammers get away with it sometimes. Most people who are players on ECC have scammed at one time or another. It doesn't mean you have, just that there are some. We're making ECC more of a "Mess up once, no going back." ECC lets you be forgiven and come back a lot. Which is a good thing. Even if you don't like it, because, oh no, those people are monsters, keep them away. But I'm not trying to hate on your suggestion, fines do have their upsides. People won't scam as much, money out of economy, ect. But while it seems a really good suggestion, it's just a little too much work, and a little too much power, for it to be balanced out. But wait wait wait Jason, what are you talking about? As soon as we add fines, people will scam much less. Possibly they'll cool down, but they won't go away entirely. That's practically impossible But you still have the problem of people not liking the fact that staff can drain their balance. If the staff did, Andrew could clear it up, but think here. You've got to wait until he clears it up, which could be annoying for you. And it's not a good idea for ECC to be known as a server where your money gets taken randomly, and takes a few days to come back. All in all, I'm proudly sitting on the golden fence, in between everyone else.
Ok I hear what your saying but like i said the fine command would just make the money go away so why would a mod even abuse it? Also if there could be a way of auto mailing a player when they have been fined then problem solved if a s mod+ goes crazy one day then the mail could just be proof of people being fined for no reason. Also this would help more then it would hurt I mean this could make scamming so less common I think the good that this could do would help the server so much.
I don't even understand the downside to this. If someone (mod) is found to have used the fining feature without just cause then it could be reversed. Big whoop. I doubt it will ever happen but if it did ing sure it could easily be fixed. The scamming on the other hand is a much larger problem. Not to mention its real and not hypothetical. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4
First off, I'm fairly use the mail plug-in and whatever plug-in we would use to fine people is different, or at least, not programmed together. That means we would have to get Khobbits to program it, and the only person who would know if that was even feasible would be kukelekuuk00 (hope you don't mind the tagging). I'm not even going to try and debate you on the programming possibilities. I'm not sure how many servers you or I have run in our lifetimes, what I am fairly sure of, is that neither of us has had to clear up angry GA balance drain spam. As for Staff abuse being hypothetical, your dead wrong. I noticed your forum join point was July 29th, I'm assuming that's around the time you joined. I've been here since the end of last year, and have talked to many people from even earlier then that. Staff abuse is not hypothetical, it's real, and it has happened before.
Jason your really not naming the good this could do like if scamming were to decrease that would save mods so much time because they have to track the people down in game and question them and they have to talk to other staff members about how to handle the scammer. If we could make scamming decrease i think the pro's out weigh the con's.
Your fairly correct, there isn't much of an argument against this. But trust me, scammers do eventually get banned heavily for scamming. The system now lets you come back and turn away from scamming, and I see no need to change.
"eventually" is not soon enough And waiting for them to get "eventually" banned takes a lot of poor innocent scammed people and basically ignores them. Protecting the bad at the cost of the innocent
Well the scammer can still come back to the server they just get a setback because they scammed. Also we should wait for a scammer to scam like 20 people who might quit ecc because of them seems like i would rather lose the scammer not the people who truly care about this server.
ex freakin zactly I don't want to give the scammer second third fourth and fifth chances. they dont deserve them
