I seriously agree, the rules will be better enforced by this...
a scenario would be when a chat offender possessing the requisite features invades the server while there are no staff on, and while in /v, harass other players in a discriminative fashion. I'm not saying the staff won't able to do rollbacks or chat the log, its that normal players would not be able to correctly report this offender, resulting in other unforeseen problems.

 

>/rn **
>shows list of every user, regardless of whether they're in vanish or not.

Let's not. Not being seen in lists is one of the key things that make vanish an attractive feature. Not to mention, even if /rn does show vanished users, there's a chance that they may be in another server, which in that case, /rn is useless. There's also a possibility that the player might be new to the server and not aware of the /rn command.

Anyways, as far as /rn evidence goes, I'd rather just not require /rn evidence at all (recommend it, though) and have a log dive be done in those cases instead.

 

I agree that being invisible is the main attraction for the investigator feature, but boom /nick off and you're invisible under this scenario, it's perfectly easy to be invisible, just don't have a nick on. OR make it so players in /v can't chat, oh wait that would be lame. Log dives are huge pains in the butts in comparison to just making it possible for people to properly collect evidence. This suggestion makes perfect sense and is the most sensible solution. If players in /v can chat in global and pm, and therefore can harass/etc, then they need to be identifiable by those they might be harassing. It's not fair to allow them to hide, talk crap, and be unidentifiable by regular players. This is just makes sense. If people in /v do not have their nick on, then they will be perfectly invisible unless they chat. Everyone wins.

 

/rn works on everyone. It doesn't matter if they have a nick on or not, /rn will still work on anyone in this case.

Even if we allowed /rn to work on everyone, there's a possibility that the user in question is on a different server than the one filing the complaint or that the user filing the complaint is not aware of the /rn command - a log dive would be needed in those cases.

Allowing /rn to work on vanish users won't solve problems and will just hurt users with vanish. Claiming that "everyone wins" simply isn't true; many users will still not have sufficient evidence to post their complaints and users will vanish will have lost an attractive aspect of their feature.

 

When you do /rn ** it lists simply and ONLY those users currently using nicks. I am not suggesting that /rn be altered in any other way. Only the command /rn ** to include vanished players. Vanished players who have utilized /nick off will be as invisible as ever.

I have no idea what the user in a different server or the user not knowing /rn has to do with anything as those would be one-offs that yeah, obviously would be handled differently depending on what the heck is going on.

This is as simple as User with /v and /nick can /pm or chat and it's fully possible the other user may not be able to identify who that player was and that's a buncha malarkey.

 

I am not sure of the feasibility of that, and I'm pretty sure allowing one variation of that command would take developer resources. But, let's just take all of that out of the picture and assume that this is added; the user in question has paid for both the vanish and the nickname feature. Shouldn't they be able to utilize both features without inconvenience? They paid for it, after all, and many users like to chat anonymously and have some fun. I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so, especially when there's other ways of solving this problem.

It's relevant to the suggestion as it shows how this doesn't solve problems. Even if this happens, there will still be cases where this change doesn't help, especially when it involves newer/inexperienced players who are not aware of the /rn command or even users who are just in another server at the time.

 

The solution I can think of is showing people's usernames when hovering over their nicknames in chat. No issues with vanished people.

 

I think it would be really easy to implement actually because it would be as simple as making going into /v to automatically perform forced /nick off and not require any actual change to the /rn command or /rn ** itself at all. Simply adding a small part to a plug in we already use.

Just because there are situations this would not solve doesn't mean there aren't plenty it would solve.

Hot damn, emp. That's a good point, people who have paid for features deserve to enjoy those features, but when those features put new players at major disadvantage (namely, not even being able to identify who may be talking to them or harassing them) that needs to be fixed. This is like an even more obvious version of the whole "staff should keep a nick that contains their actual ign because it makes it easier for new players" suggestion. Brand new players don't know about filing log

I didn't join that long ago and I will tell you that nicks confused the ever-lovin' heck out of me for a long time. That isn't good for new users. And new users are vital for our server, we shouldn't just cater to the old crowd just cuz they can't have their cake and eat it to. That is, let them chat in vanish with nicks on and with players not having anyway to determine their ign if a mod isn't able to provide it in the moment.

 

This would also be an extremely acceptable solution as the people in vanish who are not chatting don't apply to the situation at all. @kukelekuuk00 , do you know if something like this is feasible, or even already existent in some sort of plug in? Because I would actually love to see that implemented instead of the annoying /rn command with people's annoying poorly colored nicks! @Empress_Cixi, perhaps you could edit your original post to include that option if you think it would be as excellent as I do?

 

How about modifying /rn in a way that lists all visible players with /rn **, but reveals hidden players when using the full nickname, e.g., /rn ThreeOneFour? Vanished users who don't talk in chat aren't affected and those who do should be identifiable.

I understand that players are supposed to enjoy their bought features. However, it should be common courtesy that you can identify the people you are talking to.

For the record - I have /v, but I have never really used it so far.

 

It's possible, but I'm unsure of the capabilities Herochat has, considering ECC uses a custom build. It might have to be customcoded.

 

That would work as well! All three perfectly great answers.

This would be the most absolutely amazing solution, but unfortunately looks like it would be hardest to implement. I'd freaking adore that feature though.

 

Just make it so /rn evidence isn't required as United as said, it only takes a minute of the SA+'s time to figure out who actually had what nickname as long as the screenshot is timestamped.

 

I mean honestly who did it shouldn't matter to you.
Either what someone said actually bothers you or you're just filing a complaint to get someone you don't like in trouble.

Searching logs just for someones nickname/who said what literally takes like 15 seconds, which I have no issue doing.

Sure it's not perfect but it's easy enough.

I also like kuke's suggestion but iirc he's suggested it before and been denied.