+1.... /ci is poopoo /clearinventory is also poopoo, but less trollable

 

I agree one time in global a guy said do /ci I was curious and wanted to know what it did. I tried it and thankfully I did not have permission to the command at the time. I think that some others were not so fortunate and this command should be removed because of that. +1

 

While I agree that it sucks when someone purposely tries to get another user to clear their inventory, I think it needs to be remembered that the /ci command is something you have to pay real money for. You shouldn't go and spend $30 and not know what the commands you're getting can do.

 

This.

The /ci command comes with the Ext Commands donation feature, anyone who gets the feature and doesn't read what it contains is at fault, although I agree, it's not cool to /ci and lose something valuable, the person who has access to the actual command SHOULD know what it does. If they don't then IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT.

This is like getting banned for griefing and then appealing with "I didn't know it was illegal"

 

Yes Kuke I do agree with you but this issue is this. When someone says "Do /ci it will make you rich etc" people's first instinct is curiosity and they want to see what /ci does. Many people also are very tired/exhausted when they are playing video games. Being tired/exhausted usually ends in the lack of logical thought, therefore ending in subconsciously doing /ci. Another issue with this command is sometimes it is not the person who purchased the donation who is using the account. Yes I understand that the owner of the account is responsible for what happens in his/her account, but this still can happen. I think that the main point of this is because /ci can be used to troll. If someone in chat said "Do /ci it will make you rich!" you are a lot more likely to fall for the trick then if someone said "Do /clearinventory it will make you rich!" That is what I have to say -Greg

 

@greg45865734

I don't care how tired you are. Let's count the fails. o_O
Fail 1) Typing in a command that you don't know what you are typing.
Fail 2) Typing in a command that you don't know what it does because you saw "Do xxx it will make you rich!"
Fail 3) Actually believing there is 'command' you can type that will make you rich.

Just to let you know, because I have a feeling you might see something like this and based on your post... well...
Typing /pay Emau -10000 does NOT take money from me and give it to you. :confused:
That is what I have to say - Emau

 

I am speaking hypothetically I never did any of that stuff.

 

Yeah, my post is pure hypothetical too then. ;)

 

But if you have access to the command then you're supposed to know what it does, which would prevent these mistakes from happening. Being tired and/or exhausted does not excuse you for doing something stupid.

 

Honestly, I don't like /ci. I think the command /clearinventory can get the job done just as effectively, without being so subtle. I've cleared my inventory twice on accident before, and ci is an easy thing to typo. I agree that by buying the feature you are responsible to knowing what the new commands do, but why make it so easy to screw up? What is the reason we can't make the command longer than two very common letters? You hear far more people complaining about the command than commending it on the convenience it offers.

IMO, I view /ci more trouble than it's worth. Even if you know what it does, there's still a chance that you'll mess up by one letter or keystroke and lose some valuable items forever.

 

Thank you. This is pretty much what I have been trying to say.

Well the thing is, we are all human, we all make mistakes. What if it is a typo as Falconaire said. Another point that I do not think that you addressed was what if a friend or a sibling who wasn't the one who purchased the donation used /ci not knowing what it did. Another argument is it is possible some people have not purchased ext commands because they are afraid of using /ci accidentally.(just a possibility I do not know if this is true or not) If this scenario has happened that will result in less money donated to the server.

 

...I'm curious about how you accidentally clear your inventory with /ci. There is only one commonly used command (or maybe just one, period) that starts off with "ci," and that is /cinfo. Missing those last three letters is kind of..hard. Usually people only miss the last letter or so, and that is usually when they are tired, rushing, or hyper.

There should be very few times someone will typo and accidentally send the /ci command.

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I am of the mind that if you do not know what /ci does (and you have the permission file(s)), then it is your own fault for losing your items. Accidental typos - which I can only see logically being a rare occurrence - aren't quite enough reason to get rid of the command. As well, if someone is tired and or out of their mind, they should be more aware of their state and be extra careful...seems like common sense to me.

I would be fine with removing /ci, but I do not understand how so many people are just NOW "accidentally using it." It has been available for a long time with a long history of...no history. It was never a problem until recently.

Losing your account/having your account compromised is your own fault, again. The server should not be preventing something that is your own job. As well, anyone jumping on your account likely has no idea that /ci or /clearinventory exists. They do not know the server very well - or at all.

It is very unlikely that people have not purchased the donation feature due to fear of /ci. Considering most people don't even know it exists, it is a very slim chance that there is any fear.

 

For me the two occasions were with /cinfo, which you listed, and I set it as a powertool by accident once (honestly just embarrassed by that one). I can understand it seems unlikely, but it's happens, regardless of what you may think. There's a lot of times in-game where I have to type fast, and when you're bouncing around 5 different chat channels and PM'ing players at the same time, mistakes happen, rational or not.

I'm going to stick to the fact that regardless of why, call it stupidity, carelessness, or what have you, this command is consistently used to hinder players' experience. If the positive is outweighed by the negative, why do you we keep the command? There are very few people out there who use /ci consistently, and a lot more who dislike the command as a whole. To type /clearinventory is only 12 letters longer than /ci, and if that saves all the people from losing their items in the future, I think it's completely worth it. I want /ci removed because I've done it myself, and I don't want other players or me repeating the mistake. Why do we keep a shortcut for a perfectly fine command if it only creates problems?

Before I finish my rant, I'd like to ask those who want this command this; the only arguments I've seen about ci being removed are directed against players themselves, not because the command itself is beneficial. I have seen this same Suggestion 4 times, and never once seen someone say the command was "good", and deserved to stay. In what cases is /clearinventory useful enough to warrant being shortened to two letters? IMO, there is none.

 

Another argument I would like to state is that there are very few positive aspects to this. Besides typing about 10 words less and with the negatives of losing thousands or millions of dollars depending on the severity and possibly even disrupting the balance of inflation on this server.

 

November 18th, 2013, Suggestion against /ci - Link
August 26th, 2013 Suggestion against Clear Inventory itself - Link
May 12th, 2013, Suggestion against /ci - Link
March 9th, 2013, Suggestion against /ci - Link
November 29th, 2012, Suggestion against /ci - Link

You saying that this command has had a flawless history is false. It has continuously been brought up as a major problem.

 

I own ExtCommands and ExtCommands+ and iv never used /ci or /clear inventory. Honestly I didn't even it existed because I normally used disposal signs. But I think falcons point is a good one. People could be typing something and could make a spelling error. I just see no reason to have a short hand when /clear inventory is already sufficient enough.

 

Note that two of those, and this thread, are all within the second half of this year. Within a couple months of each other. Or less.

Another two were a couple of months a part, with a long time frame between them and the ones in the past few months. Before that, that lone was a long, long, long time before.

I never stated it had a "flawless history." I stated that it had "no history." By "no history," I mean none that is noteworthy; none that stood out with a many, many page thread, threads made repeatedly in a short time, or any thread that seriously brought a huge issue with /ci to light.

If it was ever a "major problem," all of those threads you found would have been more than a page, or a solid 2+ pages. My point was that people have only, more seriously, been suggesting the removal of /ci as of recent. Time frame between the suggestion has become shorter and shorter. Therefore, it has been only been a problem "as of recently."

Believe me, I know the struggle of jumping between several chat channels. I've had to moderate a server of 150+ people [nearly] alone, with upwards of five different people PMing me at once, while doing grief reports and LWCs (which required /cinfo often). It wasn't easy - and I did, once during one of those days, typo /cinfo as /ci. And I did lose a lot of stuff.

I hope I am not coming across as wanting /ci to stay, I am just trying to understand why people make as big of a fuss as they do (and why people insist on trolling others in Global with it, for that matter -.-). I've accidentally used /ci far more than once, but I have never bothered to make a thread suggesting it's removal. I would, however, be totally fine having it removed - because, as you and others have stated, very few people use it often, and it has no real perks other than "being fast."

 

+1

 

I believe it is due to a rising number of trolls using it to mess with players who did not properly read their features. I personally have /ci as a possible command but avoid it like the plague. I have no use for it and can not see a use for it. If I don't want something it goes on the ground to despawn. I feel that, personally, even using the command one time might make me do it on accident later. I have a habit of doing /ch s even when I'm not trying to talk in staff because it is just instinct. I wouldn't want that to develop with /ci. That being said, I don't think we need to get rid of it. I think people need to regulate themselves, just as I am doing, when it comes to that type of a command.