[Suggestion] Player Rollback Requests

chargers2417 · Aug 24, 2012

Minecraft Name: chargers2417

Suggestion: Make player rollback available to players, kind of like landscaper, $15-20 donation feature, plus 5-10k app fee.

Reason: I am seeing so many people losing things and this just, in my opinion, getting out of hand. I know I would pay for this. This would also help take some money out of the economy because when people spent the money on the rollback request. Also there would need to be like a 1-2 week cool down because that's when people can really start to abuse it. And if this is too hard and long for andrew, think about letting Game Admins also do it. Andrew chose these 4 people because he trusted them. Why not trust with player rollback? Anyway, Players once buying the feature and gathering funds for rollback, have 24 hours to make topic, if done after 24 hours they get denied. Also if they lie, about items missing, it is a rollback they get what they had from however long ago and you can fine people when people make apps after 24 hours and if they don't have the funds, and they must have screenshots of when they died. (Pictures have time stamp, military time.) Here is just a draft for Application

IGN:
Do you have the applicable cost in you balance?:
How did you make the funds for this application? (Lying will result in ban):
Time of Death. (Provide Screenshots):
(I don't know anymore questions)

Any Other Information: Andrew if this is just too hard for I can understand, but please let the Game Admins help you with this! I'm sure they could mange the task! This would be 5 people managing this. (Just a guess) If 70 people buy feature that's $1400 USD (at $20 USD) and then 700000 (if all buy) out of economy (10k app fee). And that's about mabye 50 extra apps? (if some don't die) in just 2 weeks. Remember each app would be 10k so people would keep buying then it would help stimulate the economy. (I have seen people saying that the money circulation in the economy is rising.)

NOTE***: Rollbacks only available for losing items do glitches, not losing money in lotto or ANYTHING like that.

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Thanks for reading!
-chargers2417

kukelekuuk · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

Nonononononononono, rollbacks are bad. even if it's just for one person, we have no way of checking if anyone actually lost the items.
This would cause so many issues, it's bad.

chargers2417 · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

kukelekuuk00 said:

Nonononononononono, rollbacks are bad. even if it's just for one person, we have no way of checking if anyone actually lost the items.
This would cause so many issues, it's bad.
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Since its a rollback, its not like they are getting free things, they have the things from what they had at the time. (Correct me if wrong)

Delucaco · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

The problem with this is that with any given opportunity, people will abuse anything possible. This feature just opens up another way for people to abuse ECC.

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.

kukelekuuk · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
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I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.

7amoodw · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

- 1 million. Sorry

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.

DFat · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
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This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)

DFat · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
Click to expand...

The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
Click to expand...

The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.
Click to expand...

? Where was I complaining about investigator? I was using the many ways it can (And will one day) be abused as a point. (Also being invincible in PVP hardly is a "small" advantage)

DFat · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
Click to expand...

The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.
Click to expand...

? Where was I complaining about investigator? I was using the many ways it can (And will one day) be abused as a point. (Also being invincible in PVP hardly is a "small" advantage)
Click to expand...

You were complaining that it was overpowered. And again, Andrew is thinking of nerfing the PVP aspect of Investigator.

WallyBean · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

If you had /back and the tombstone donator feature, or improved tombstone, it doesn't seem like you would need this one.

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

Ok

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
Click to expand...

The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.
Click to expand...

? Where was I complaining about investigator? I was using the many ways it can (And will one day) be abused as a point. (Also being invincible in PVP hardly is a "small" advantage)
Click to expand...

You were complaining that it was overpowered. And again, Andrew is thinking of nerfing the PVP aspect of Investigator.
Click to expand...

Ok you’re missing my point. I do think it’s overpowered your right. I’m not complaining it should be removed because you’re correct they did pay a lot of money for it. What I was trying to do is say that any argument against a possible donator feature because of abuse is invalid anymore because of the many ways a current one can be abused.

DFat · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

rosypolly said:

Ok

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
Click to expand...

That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
Click to expand...

This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
Click to expand...

The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.
Click to expand...

? Where was I complaining about investigator? I was using the many ways it can (And will one day) be abused as a point. (Also being invincible in PVP hardly is a "small" advantage)
Click to expand...

You were complaining that it was overpowered. And again, Andrew is thinking of nerfing the PVP aspect of Investigator.
Click to expand...

Ok you’re missing my point. I do think it’s overpowered your right. I’m not complaining it should be removed because you’re correct they did pay a lot of money for it. What I was trying to do is say that any argument against a possible donator feature because of abuse is invalid anymore because of the many ways a current one can be abused.
Click to expand...

It isn't exactly "abused". Andrew made it $100 for a reason, and I doubt he made it so that you could "be able to investigate your problems/issues in secret!" I'm pretty sure he guessed that people were going to use this for other purposes too.

rosypolly · Aug 24, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

Ok

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

dpatt711 said:

rosypolly said:

kukelekuuk00 said:

rosypolly said:

I don't see the problem. You can donate to become a god with the ability to ruin PVP, hunt people in mining world with them having no ability to hide, and stalk people to your heart’s content. So why can't you donate to get your items back? It's not like you’re adding any new items.
Click to expand...

I already have an example of abuse.
1, you sell your item to someone.
2, you request a rollback.
3, ???
4, profit!!

You will have both the item and money.

Another thing is, a roll-back is EXACTLY the same as rolling a griefer back, you will lose whatever you have built in the rollback time.
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That would be why a pic of you dying in the void would be required. And the roll back would only roll you back to seconds before that happened.

Anyhow what I was actually trying to point out in my first post was how I find it funny that there’s already a donation feature that can be abused very heavily and in many way. Here are a few examples. Stalking is clearly written as not allowed in the rules, but if you buy investigator you could stalk all day and no one would be the wiser. Another is how you can’t be killed in PVP, doesn’t matter how good of equipment you have or how many friends you bring, you all could be killed by someone with investigator. (As long as the person with investigator doesn’t mess up somehow.) Just look, splash potions that everyone could get were disabled because they were overpowered, but invincibility that only a few people can get isn’t overpowered? Then there’s the one were in mining world an investigator could just wait around mining world spawn until a poor resident goes mining. And then stalk that person till they think they’re safe, unvanish, kill them, and steal the poor residents mining gear and be gone. This doesn’t even cover the ways you could abuse block log which there are defiantly ways to do that. So my point is any way to abuse this donation feature would pale in comparison to the ways you could abuse a current one.

EDIT: I should point out that I’m not accusing anyone of abusing investigator as many of the people who do have it have proven to be very nice people and trustworthy. What I was trying to do is point out that arguing you could abuse this feature is a bad argument against this suggestion, when there’s a donation feature that already can be abused heavily.

EDIT 2: I should also point out I’m aware that the last two examples aren’t against the rules, but there both good examples how Investigator can be overpower full at times.
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This:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27372

And people paid $100 for Investigator, they should get what they paid for.
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Thank you for proving my point. If people paid to be allowed to use a mini-rollback feature they should be trusted not to abuse it. (Like how Investigators are now)
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The worst things Investigators can do right now are kill people in the mining world and have a small advantage in PVP. This isn't anything major, so stop complaining about it. And when the "void glitch" is fixed, this feature would be 100% useless and people would have wasted their money.
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? Where was I complaining about investigator? I was using the many ways it can (And will one day) be abused as a point. (Also being invincible in PVP hardly is a "small" advantage)
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You were complaining that it was overpowered. And again, Andrew is thinking of nerfing the PVP aspect of Investigator.
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Ok you’re missing my point. I do think it’s overpowered your right. I’m not complaining it should be removed because you’re correct they did pay a lot of money for it. What I was trying to do is say that any argument against a possible donator feature because of abuse is invalid anymore because of the many ways a current one can be abused.
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It isn't exactly "abused". Andrew made it $100 for a reason, and I doubt he made it so that you could "be able to investigate your problems/issues in secret!" I'm pretty sure he guessed that people were going to use this for other purposes too.
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see my pm.

Mustacher · Aug 25, 2012

Re: [Suggestion] chargers2417

Please read the new sggestion rule: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11591&p=133838#p133838

chargers2417 · Aug 26, 2012

Mustacher said:

Please read the new sggestion rule: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11591&p=133838#p133838
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Fixed

rabidworm · Aug 26, 2012

Investigator is Incredibly overpowered. This suggestion could allow you to dupe entire chests full of diamonds with ease. Also overpowered. However. Two wrongs dont make a right. This should not be implemented. Investigator should not be working in the mining world/nether period. But nothing will be changed. Andrew has already stated his unwillingness to remove it, despite the fact that since it is classified as a "donation" he can technically change it whenever he wants with no repercussions, potentially fixing the problem.

I personally do not think investigator should ever have happened, that supermods should still have those abilities (seeing as they are practically neccasary for some of their jobs like grief reports, which may or may not be in the sky or over lava somewhere) , and that this donation feature suould not be added.

But it wont.

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