[Suggestion] New SG Kits

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I'd like to hear that from them, or see a somewhat recent screenshot of the comment.

Also, as a proper response to this thread, I would like to hear the defense of any official conclusion, from a staff member, as our SG kit system is indeed, such a contentious subject.

It is clear from reading SG-related chat in-game, players very often do not understand and have problems with our kit system.

We need to know why it is the best option for us, and if it's not, what we can do to make a better option happen.

 

Below is a compilation of related posts from Revanrose, Khobbits, and Kukelekuuk00 since March 17 of this year. (No related posts from andrewkm)

While some of the posts are conflicting, basically, these staff members attest that kits provide a significant advantage in SG, provide crucial funding to the server, and provide a more diverse SG experience. However, some noted problems were raised regarding the OP-ness of a few kits, the lack of higher numbers of SG players, the lack of sufficient alternative systems and the problems associated with changing existing features.

This thread is ultimately intended to produce an effective, fun, new, profitable and implementable system to be proposed as an alternative to our current SG set-up.

In finding the information below, I understand how redundant topics can be.

I would like this thread to be a realistic, collaborative discussion on new ideas.

Please read below before posting further proposals.

I will consider the situation tonight and make a post when I have a better handle on the challenges that exist.


Revanrose - May 2

"Donations are the blood of this server. They are the life force. Kits are now a critical part of that life force. Perhaps, if we had done this previously, it would have worked out."

"Yes SG is basically at a point where it is pay to win, but not for the reasons portrayed in these suggestions. It is pay to win because those who haven't paid are not really coming up with solutions."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion.94285/#post-472281


"Let me be honest here, I don't seem this system as working at the moment. I think it might overcomplicate the code for 1. Secondly, it appears like it discourages donating for a large number of kits. At that point, why donate for ANY regular kits. Find the the perfect load out for you and donate for ++ version. Personally, what I have done on occasion is buy a regular version of a kit, try it with my other kits, if I like it, I donate for the + or ++ version."

"Changing features in a drastically negative fashion is never a good idea."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion.94285/#post-472253


Revanrose - April 24

"From what I understand, the SG system cannot have 2 different types of SG simultaneously on the server. I might be wrong about that but @kukelekuuk00 could confirm or deny that."

-No response from kukelekuukoo

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/t...hat-costs-ecodollars.93559/page-2#post-467376


Revanrose - April 13

[In response to "[Suggestion] Separate SG arenas for donators with kits"]

"This will never happen."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/t...r-donators-with-kits.91513/page-4#post-459205


Revanrose - April 13

[In response to "New sg kit" suggesting "mob as like minions!"]

"Denied"

- No reason given

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/new-sg-kit.91262/#post-459194


KHobbits - April 13

[In response to "Kitsg and nonkit sg" suggesting separate arenas]

"This has already been discussed and rejected."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/kitsg-and-nonkit-sg.92304/#post-459182

Kukelekuuk00 - May 7 (Today)

[In response to the idea of separate arenas for kits and non-kits]

"I never said that. It's easily possible. But if it's something beneficial to the server and to its users is still uncertain."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion-new-sg-kits.94824/page-2#post-475043

Kukelekuuk00 - April 5

[In response to "[Suggestion] Separate SG arenas for donators with kits"]

"This is an economy server, the purpose of this server is to get money and buy things. kits are one of those things you can buy.
EVERYTHING is obtainable with in-game money, this includes kits. Because of just that, I don't think this should happen. New players come to an ECONOMY server, not an SG server. The SG we have here is made to work with our economy, kits are a vital part of that.
This is because of 2 main reasons.
1, they add diversity to SG. (Splash potions, enhancement potions, bows, swords, armour, invisibility)
and 2, they get more donations, this also stimulates the in-game user-user market for selling donations. I didn't buy my kits from my own money, I bought them with giftcards and in-game money, and a basic kit is only a week's worth of work for anyone with a decent pickaxe. (assuming you spend about 1-2 hours a day mining)

I used to believe kits are overpowered. (although I do think spy's invis potion needs to last 1 minute instead of 3 minutes)
But now I think something different. Everyone can obtain kits, and you don't necessarily need to play SG to make money. Therefore it's easy to obtain such a kit and get on a more even playing field. The rest you need is simply skill.

Also, you're assuming everyone on /who plays SG, and that everyone who doesn't have a kit thinks the same way as you do. Quite a naive assumption, might I add. As I've seen plenty of non-kit builders completely destroy kit users.

It's a matter of skill and dedication. Not a matter of removing that VITAL aspect of the ECC Survival Games."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/t...nas-for-donators-with-kits.91513/#post-454680

Kukelekuuk - April 1

[In response to "[Suggestion] HG and SG"]

"We have hundreds of kitters, but there's only around 40-50 playing during on-peak, and like 20 or less during off-peak.
Not everyone plays all the time, the amount of people playing at the same time compared to the amount of people playing in total is quite low.
The point I'm trying to make is, just because there's 50 people who want this, doesn't mean there's always 50 people playing. In fact, I expect less than 10 people to be playing this at the same time during on-peak. (It will be completely dead during on-peak)
Instead of playing these arenas, people will go for the more popular arenas. This is because of a couple of reasons.

Money. The popular arenas have a bigger payout, this attracts people.
Bigger arenas are more fun for a lot of people, therefore attracting even more users.

There are too many users who will play the popular arena, leaving the less popular arenas in the dust.
Now this plan may work if we had 4-6 times more people playing sg. But we don't, there's simply not enough players to fill the maps and give it a little bit of popularity."

"If many people play in the non-kit arenas, then kits become worthless.
If not enough people play in the non-kit arenas then non-kit arenas will simply wither and die. Because people don't like playing against the same people over and over, if there's even people to play against."

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion-hg-and-sg.90221/page-3#post-452490

 

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