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Suggestion- The money scammed from you is returned if the banned player does not appeal for so long, their files are deleted.
Reason:- Everyone hates being scammed and personally, I have never had someone appeal a ban dealing with me being scammed so my money has never been returned, I have seen many possible solution to this problems but they all have the flaw of being able to be exploited, this one however does not because the player could never return and therefore, money could not be duplicated.
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Won't happen, ecc would rather have money out of the economy from banned players than to stay in.
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It is not plausible to take money from a user and return it. Many users store money in signs (we cannot get that money), spend it on something, etc. This means that money would be created from thin air and added to the economy, which will never happen.
Also... If a user's file is deleted, that means their money can be deleted, too. Once again, this would be creating unfair money and putting it into the economy. Andrew has said many times that this will never happen.
Best way to avoid losing money to a scam is to research any and everyone you plan to make a deal with. There is no logical or safe way to return everyone's money they lost to a scam. -
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Bob scams you 50k. He ruins wild and free and spends all 50k of that in Joe's spawnshop. Then he gets banned, and doesn't appeal. He has an empty balance. Andrew can't give you 50k, because that all went into Joe's spawnshop, and by now it's halfway around the server. -
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Besides, for all we know Joe used the 50k to buy a plot off of Jim, who used the 50k to get himself a Melonsword (he already had the other money) and sold that melonsword to Frank, who, in a freak accident, broke the sword. -
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The money scammed off of the individual is not sitting idly within the server's data logs on the player's person, it is circulated throughout the various people he purchases from with that money. In mathematical terms:
You get scammed 50k by Bob. You: 0, Bob: 50k. Current server Cash: 50k
Bob takes said money and purchases X diamonds from Scott with your money. You: 0, Bob: 0, Scott: 50k. Current server Cash: 50k
Bob is banned. You: 0, Bob: 0, Scott: 50k. Current server Cash: 50k
Scott takes that money and spends 20k on a house with Maggie, 15k on Farm perms with Alex, and keeps 15k. You: 0, Bob: 0, Scott: 15k, Maggie: 20k, Alex: 15k. Current server Cash: 50k
Allotted time has passed, and 50k is returned to you for being scammed. You: 50k, Bob: 0, Scott: 15k, Maggie: 20k, Alex: 15k. Current server Cash: 100k
Now the server has doubled the available cash within this system. It is implausible to take money from Scott, Maggie, and Alex, as they have done nothing wrong. It is implausible to rollback the damages, as imagine the strain on the system constantly rolling back. It is implausible not to ban Bob, for that will solve nothing. It is implausible to provide a gift card to you in recompense, as that would drain on ECC cash flow. The only plausible option is to do exactly what is being done now: nothing. This not only keeps the economy running smoothly, but encourages users to be safer with their trades and do research on their potential partners, thus saving the Moderation team time in checking grief/scam reports.-
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No, the answer is to punish scammers more harshly.
Don't put the onus on the innocent, put it on the guilty.
Grrrrrrrr
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you completely missed the point as you always do. Of course the scammers would be punished, likely worse than ever. But if we can stop the scammer before he does anything with the 50k, then the money should absolutely go back to you.
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Rev, I get what you're saying but look at it counting items.
You start with 125k
Bob scams you out of 64k (not plagiarizing am I?): You: 61k Bob: 64k Dave: 2k diamonds
Bob buys 2000 diamonds at Dave's spawn shop: You: 61k Bob: 2000 diamonds Dave: 64k
Now let's say that if one is banned for scamming, any items bought with that cash, as well as remaining cash, will be returned to you.
Bob gets banned: You: 61k+2000 diamonds Bob: 0 Dave: 64k
You sell diamonds for $31 each: You: 123k Bob: 0 Dave: 64k
Wouldn't that be a good idea, to return all bought items? Of course mods would probably need some new plugin, but not for nothing!
Let's look at a different scenario.
Dane gets scammed by icondigi (ooh, burn) for 105k Dane: 0 Icon: 105k _TAN: 350 nstars
Icon buys 350 nstars from _TAN's spawnshop: Dane: 0 Icon: 350 nstars _TAN: 105k
Dane lacks evidence, and can't report icon for his scam. Or at least, not now.
Icon sells 350 nstars to server, cuz hes a troll: Dane: 0 Icon: 52.5k _TAN: 105k
Because it's from the server, I see it best if the 52.5k was taken out of both of the server and Icon, totaling the 105k lost. No money is added to the server.
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Okay I see your point, but look at it this way.
I'm running my Spawnshop 1 selling diamonds.
Bob comes along and buys 100 diamonds for 1k (cheap I know).
Two days later Mod123 comes along and takes away my 1k, and I don't get my diamonds back.
Now I'm really angry.
I have no idea what happened.
So I fish around on the forums, and find that Bob scammed Jim two days before. But do I care? No I don't.
All your doing now suburb is causing Bob to be able to scam dozens of people. Look at it this way.
Bob scams your melonsword and quickly sells it off for 300k
He then goes and buys 3k worth of stuff from 100 spawnshops. Now he doesn't have any 300k and you have 100 players with 3k each. Your seriously going to tell me that mods will go and take 3k out of everyone's balance (by that time the money could have gone through dozens more players) and give it all back to you, and don't give those 100 players their stuff back because Bob tossed it into lava.
Your probably thinking "but that will never happen." Your probably not far off, it's unlikely that the scammer will buy from 100 spawnshops. But it is possible. And it's very likely that they'll buy from a dozen or more people or spawnshops. Mods, even Andrew, can't track down money that easily.
If a player puts money in a sign, Mods cannot access that. They have no control over signs.
There's simply dozens and dozens and dozens of ways for this to go completely wrong. It just can't happen. -
this thread's idea is great and i would support it but it has a snowball's chance in hell of ever coming to fruition for the exact same reason as Rev_ so eloquently line out. -
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