:eek: he as a star tool. Do you?

 

To be fair its more of common sense in my opinion, I for one don't actually own a msword, but I realise how it will affect the server.

 

You seem very defesive about this o.e like its melon owners vs. Non-melon owners it seems you are just attacking anyone who doesnt agree with this.

You seem very pessimistic thinking so negatively of other players it just shows your frustration. Seriously you think the ONLY reason people don't support this is because everyone just wants to see you suffer? Like its melon users vs everyone else >.> really your going with that? In your statement you said and I quote "so they can make themselves seem better" You seem to be hinting you think this makes you better then other players... that seem rather arrogant I could see now why you would think players would like to see this implemented for negative reasons with an attitude like that

Petty? hmmm ok lets analyze this further then.

You say think of the server as a whole? I want to know more. There are a lot of threads like this and I want to know what are the real side effects of this. Deal in fact not speculation. Though my readings of these threads I found 6 arguments that consistently repeat themselves ill list them.
1. Players paid a lot of money for these items and now they will be less valuable
2. The melon sword is a novelty of ECC
3. Melon/axe/sword markets will be mixed up and destroy the economy
4. What's there to prevent the loss of more star tools?
5. Saying this will affect the economy but doesn't give a reason
6. People will leave ECC

These are all personal and/or easily fixed issues
1. They will be less valuable and its just apart of the game everyone keeps preaching "hardcore economy" but then the ghast hits the lava players just resort to suggestions and complain for a fix.
2. The melon sword can still be a novelty of ECC its not like its useless it still breaks at the same speed and it obviously has sentimental value look how many people are desperately holding onto them.
3. Simple change the price of whole melons to fit pumpkins, Axes stay the same, star sword is changed to pvp sword instead
4. Exactly what is there? This isn't even an argument? what If minecraft closes. what if herobrine is real. what if notch is really Andrew. Its speculation and has no weight in this problem the melons can be broken buy axes faster period. Where does the loss of other star tools come into play o.e and if they are targeted in the future we will discus it then.
5. A way to get out of the argument without having actual facts yet
6. Ok, leave the goal is to beat a "hardcore economy server" and if you throw all you assets into one item and rage quit because you lost it..... guess what ... you lost ECC!

Ok, that's all I've read so far. I know smart player out there will find some issues with this and see how it will affect the economy (because I know I missed some problems) so plz comment but if you do make it based off facts.

The main thing I keep seeing is players paid a lot of money for these swords so as of now that's what I think this whole debate is over. people are mad because their biggest asset is being taken away. That sucks a lot and im sorry. But in all seriousness this is a "hardcore economy" if this one change to one item in a sea of opportunities in the entire server has destroyed you .... that's just sad.

Why yes thank for asking. Was that a trump card? I don't even see how that is relevant to the suggestion? because having a star rod, axe, shovel, ect makes you an expert in melon swords and economic stability >.> mhm ya .... interesting logic

 

Who was stupid enough to pay 900k for a sword to farm melon which sell for like .30 xD

 

I could go on... but... actually... I have better things to do with my time, rather then try and prove a point to you. #Logic.

 

If it is possible to make melons unbreakable to axes I would be up for this. I do not want to see users upset, but echoing what I said as one of the first users to say it, this may need to be treated just like if a stock crashed. There is nothing that can be done, you just have to lick your wounds and continue forward. That is how an economy works. No I do not have a melon sword and if there is a way to keep melon swords and stopping axes on melons then I am for that first. But I do not believe in compensation that many people are wanting or demanding for their melon swords, that is not what participating in a hardcore economy is about. Who knows maybe with less money being generated from /sell hand melons the market might not get so inflated with cash, this could in-turn help the economy as a whole even though it is at the expense of the melon farmer. Or it could harm the nstar market though this is not likely since melon swords are not the main star tool anymore, and after a small downturn it will rise again. I love change and to be honest reliance upon melon farming has stagnated and I would like to see users trying to use their brains to come up with new and creative ways to make money rather than sitting with your forward key and holding down your mouse while watching netflix.

 

No1 will EVER implement this suggestion. BOOOOOOOOOO Stop complaining when something goes wrong.

-100000000000

 

Now I understand that you feel this way, but this is not how you make a logical argument for your case on a thread like this.

 

You want a logical argument? Well what about this. People with Mswords are making a JOKE out of ECC. It's a hardcore economy server! If u just have to hold down a couple buttons and watch netflix while very one else tools for their money then it's not really hardcore. I want to be a businessman when I grow up so I though ECC would help me learn some skills. If people can make money this easily then Msword removal Is for the best

 

Better. Melon swords did and do stimulate the netherstar maket which is big profit for many spawn shop owners, though I do agree that sitting hours upon end is not that hardcore, then again you are sitting hours upon end on a game doing such a menial task that some might consider it hardcore. I hope you aspire to reaching your goal of becoming a businessman, you can still practice that on ECC regardless of melon farming. I except for maybe 100k max since they were out have avoided using melon swords. I just felt that they were not my cup of tea and I liked to challenge myself with other ways of making money, and I have done so succesfully and at times I have failed, but overall I have had fun doing it. So I am gonna say again I hope melon farmers can find some compromise with maybe the OP's suggestion, otherwise I still stand that taking a hit is not the end of the world.

 

I worked for 900k for my melon sword, and if nothing is done to protect them, it's like throwing the tool in lava. 900k + countless hours of work for nothing.

 

It's not like throwing it in lava u can still sell it for 200-300k

 

I don't think you understand what you're saying. You say you want less people simply "sitting with your forward key and holding down your mouse while watching Netflix" yet this is what this suggestion is wanting to avoid. If these new "melon axes" aren't disabled, hundreds of people, myself included, will simply use our silk touch axes, which only cost us about 20k, and go to farming melons. This way we'll be making the same amount of money using a 20k tool that we could make using a 1 mil + tool.

 

+1 for B.

I dont have a melon sword, but i rent one every once in a while, and @Izz9 is very nice, so i have a melon sword every once in a while for a cheep price. I say +1 to this suggestion as a whole.

 

Maybe you need to think logial for a secound

Who would buy a tool that farms SLOWER than lets say a pump axe? and for 300k? Im just going to say now that I would never buy a melon sword for 300k if this suggestion got denied. Why? Because thats just plain stupid.'

And im just going to add the fact, because you seem not to understand how the economy works, if this suggestion gets denied melon prices will most likely drop down to $0.40 and the slices down to $0.05 or so.

 

Okay so it seems like not a whole lot of people are not fully understanding the meaning of this thread. Everyone's saying that it's simply just a punch in the face of melon sword owners and that that's a part of a hardcore economy. While this is true, it's not the whole story, there's much more to it than this. I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible because I know most of you are too thick-skulled to comprehend it.

Problems​

• In the 1.8 update, axes will be able to break melons at the same rate as swords
• Since Silk Touch is enabled on axes, players will be able to make these new "Melon Axes" for about 20k
• Dozens, perhaps even hundreds of people, myself included, have already stockpiled Melon Axes in anticipation of the update.

What does this mean?​

• Melon sword owners, many of whom payed 750k+ for the tool, will essentially be getting slapped in the face (Just as a clarification since people seem confused: your melon swords will still work and you will still make as much money as you could before. It is not the same as throwing your sword into lava, stop being drama queens).
• Currently, only a select number of players own and have access to a melon sword. If the update happens with no change, this number will skyrocket as players like me who have stockpiled Melon Axes will be able to farm melons and make the same amount of money as melon swords in the same amount of time.
• Because of this, hundreds more players will be farming melons as a way to make money. Essentially, this would be the same as suddenly dropping the melon sword price to 20k, everybody would get one, and everybody would be farming melons.
• Not only would this make the economy less hardcore since everyone's boringly farming melons, almost everyone would have access to this melon sword equivalent, meaning money would be dumped into the economy at a ridiculously fast and uncontrollable rate. Inevitably, mass inflation could ensue.

Solutions​

• The ability to enchant Silk touch on axes is disabled the same way it is with swords. This has to happen, like yesterday in order to stop the bleeding of people rushing out to make melon axes.
• This suggestion is implemented. This would put an end to the Melon Axe rush and maintain the value of melon swords
• Melon prices drop. Not ideal as it will lower the value of melon swords too.
• The speed that melon swords break melons increases. Probably not going to happen as you can't get much faster than instantly.

In total, not doing anything can in fact hurt the economy, perhaps even devastate the farming industry which is why this absolutely MUST be added and why administration needs to do something about it NOW.
+1

 

+1 people paid 300k - 1M for the sword but i don't think this would be implemented since this was done before with pumpkin axes and everybody is living perfectly fine with it

 

Do you know if thought though carefully this entire problem you listed can be solved by making the price of whole melons equal the price of pumpkins?

The only excuse you gave to say that changing the price was a bad idea was saying "it's not ideal because it would hurt melon sword prices too" um melon swords are obsolete o.e how can you hurt a now dead tool?

The prices will drop back down again to equal melons and then it would be normal again like as if nothing happened. The ONLY change is that there will no longer be a 900k sword on the market. Since melons will equal pumpkins the farming tools will stay 20k while the stat axes are using for wood, swords for pvp like how it should be.

Nothing will change, your big apocalyptic view of the server post 1.8 is silly. Melon swords and expensive but no where near the staple of the economy. This is an easy fix and the only reason players are mad is because they are losing a valuable tool. So don't give excuses about helping the economy and just tell it how it is and say you don't want to lose that money.

 

Going to of invest in a eff 5 silk 1 axe right now

 

Did you know that melon swords were made so that melons would not be equated to pumpkins?

The value (not price, two different things) of a melon sword is based off what it can make in a given time. Melon prices are at their current state to maintain a roughly 20k per hour profit from melon farming, therefore if melon block prices are to lower, then that profit will lower with it and so will the value of the sword. The point of my post and this suggestion is to keep the melon sword from losing its value and becoming obsolete. They are not dead and I, as well as a large majority of other players, would like to keep it that way.

In regards to your third point, I'm led to believe that your solution to this issue is to stabilize the value of the new axes by completely removing melon swords from the server. Not only will this not be possible, but it won't happen. Ever. You might as well ask Andrew to remove sg kits entirely. While using axes for farming and swords for pvp seems entirely reasonable, you grossly underestimate the affect of these actions on the players of the server. It's not fair, it's not right, and it certainly isn't justifiable by any means.

Now let's do some math. Consider for example, if 10 people own melon swords, farm and make 20k in one hour. That's 200k dumped into the economy. Now consider if 100 people have these melon sword equivalents. They each farm for an hour, make 20k each, now there's 2 million dollars dumped in. Melon swords are so highly priced because they can each cause a ridiculous amount of money to be poured into the economy, so needless to say, more melon sword equivalents = the Niagara Falls of cash entering the economy = inflation, which is not ideal.

I really honestly truly hopefully wish that you please, for the sake of my sanity and those around you, keep an open mind about things like these because I've had it with these petty arguments.