Maybe I haven't been clear enough in my statements. I am talking about serial scammers. People that have been convicted numerous times for nearly the same offense. Over months at a time with multiple convictions. Not someone who is brand new and doesn't have a firm handle on the rules. There is a huge difference and I see a lot of arguments against this idea conflating the two types of players. That is an unfair logical fallacy.
I think there is a great schism in this discussion, and much like politics, there is not going to be a resolution that will appeal to both sides. All I am asking everyone to do is to examine the other side's points and see if there is any middle ground.
To some degree I agree with Xslare libertarian leans, to some degree I agree with Revan's laissez faire handling of punishments.
Ok, you don't want ostracization. Fine. You don't want incarceration. Fine. Then institute another penalty. The Scamming fine is a perfect exactly. It is a Natural Consequence.
I also want to reiterate that this shouldn't be a "hating on scammers" thread. It should be a discussion of what staff can and maybe should do to alleviate the situation.
I apologize for my "monsters" characterization. I was speaking only in hyperbole.
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Revanrose6 Sith LordECC Sponsor Tycoon ⛰️⛰️⛰️ Ex-EcoLegend ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️ Prestige ⭐ I ⭐ Gameplay Architect Premium Upgrade
Well, now that I recognize that we are discussing severe repeat offenders, I must say we already have a system in place for dealing with these issues. It is recent and still being tweaked, but, it will start to be more apparent in the next few months. I cannot discuss what the staff is doing exactly, but, I can say we too are working on this issue.
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Thank you Revan and thank you staff for all of your hard work. Even if it isn't immediately apparent to everyone.
I know that you guys and gals have our best interests in mind and I appreciate all the hard work you all do very much. I try my best to not create more work for you guys by staying within the boundaries set up in the rules. I mostly succeed
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Aww that is a new emote face... its kinda adorable... and I just went completely off topic... Um.. Thanks :D and I appreciate that at least you are trying.
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knears2000 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️Rarely used, I guess thats why revan said that as that is one of the first times I have ever seen that used.
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Intellectualist BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️Awww, bummer. Must we always get a "Government Classified Top Secret Max Level Clearance Only" given to us?
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As I am sure you know Jason... Staff is like the Secret Service... Clearance level 100 Required...dun dun...
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Intellectualist BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️IK IK. I always get that :mad:
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Can we have a significantly harsh punishment on the second offense? especially after you violate what you said in ban appeal 1. Or, can we possibly add a 3 strike and you're out system? If three valid scam complaints are filed and you are guilty, you will have to make an excellent appeal to andrewkm?
Say, I scammed somebody 100k eco$
1.[Ban appeal]
IGN: THecreator767
I'm sorry I scammed nelsin! :( I won't do it again!
2. YAY! I'm back on server and never getting caught!
3.[Ban appeal]
IGN:Thecreator767
I'm sorry I scammed so and so. I won't do it again!
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This is exactly what I am talking about
It is a never ending cycle of offense, maybe maybe not collecting proper evidence, ban, appeal... wait a week for them to do it again and the the cycle begins anew.
There really needs to be something done about it.
The current punishment scheme is NOT working, and I urge anyone that disagrees to prove me wrong.
Because after a quick few minutes on the forums, I could show dozens of examples where it ISN'T-
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Intellectualist BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️
Actually, I'd like to hear your definition of "not working".
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Its working?
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree.
The plethora of scams happening everyday to dozens of people with little to no real punishment say otherwise.
3 day temp ban, then they come back and do the same thing over and over again.
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I think it is working for first time scammers, but over that amount it isn't working enough dork1877 so I agree and disagree on parts of this thread with you.
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Intellectualist BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️No punishment besides Perma ban can 100% keep the person from scamming again.
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Thecreator767 BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️Perma bans/appeals to skylexia/andrewkm are probably going to be the only people who can get them to stop.
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Intellectualist BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-Mayor ⚒️⚒️Perma ban appeal? Sounds like an oxymoron.
But if we Permaban scammers after the first few appeals...it'll never work.
But honestly, this whole thread sounds like a scammer hate thread.
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