I don't see why we would set a minimum value on scamming - that would seem to have the biggest impact on newer players. Say a builder is scammed $500 - why would we tell them "Yes, this player broke the rules, but that doesn't matter to us because it wasn't enough"? $500 could reasonably be of great value to a new player. Any kind of scamming is unacceptable here, and I see no reason to change that.

As for the spawnshop thing, I don't see at all how thats defamatory in nature. Unless you're doing absolutely nothing but looking at the sheer number of complaints someone has ever had filed against them, how does it defame someone? People would see that they're about spawnshops.

My response to both of these is about the same, why would we stop players from using complaints to report rule-breaking?

 

-1 i see no reason in it sorry bud.

 

"Some exceptions for these would be netherstars, as those could easily be scammed one at a time to rack up over time"

A netherstar has equal or greater value to $500, there's practically no difference. Scamming $1 compared to $1,000,000 are both against the rules, if users could get away with scamming $500 at a time, that could soon build up. Plus, if somebody is willing to scam $500, they are likely to scam much higher values too. Filing a complaint on a user for smaller offenses is what can prevent bigger repeat offenses in the future.

Either way, it;s breaking the rules, there should be no minimum to this. Think about a user who xrays, if they only "xrayed to find 1 diamond" does that make it okay?

Sorry man, -1 for me.

 

-1
Why should players be allowed to scam at all?

 

Player 1: 'Looking for erep, will pay 200'
Player 2: 'Sure I'll do it'
*TP's and does the e-rep*
Player 2: '200 please'
Player 1: 'Nah, below $500 isn't scamming and the staff won't make me pay'

That isn't healthy for an economy server in even the smallest way. Sure you may feel that filing a complaint for an amount which you could earn back yourself in less than the time it took you to file the complaint is a bit silly, but this is a really bad idea. It would result in all the small little transactions that happen hundreds of times a day being unenforceable.

 

Plus with this, it could make users believe that if you could be scammed $200 from an e-repair, I should be able to scam the tool that I am repairing. Because that's "fair", small transactions can still escalate and encourage greater scamming too. (In addition to the damage to the economy as you stated also)

 

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-tyboy.113408/

 

Edit: No longer relevant

 

Actually all people that don't fit the spawnshop thread should be reported in the spawnshop thread.

 

Well anyways i +1 this. Spawnshop is not a huge matter.

 

Maybe the 'Broken Window theory' could be relevant here. Such a attitude to what is perceived as "minor" issues (which are addressed in the server rules) could invite some players to begin disregarding other rules resulting in an escalating trend.

Let's not go down this path of adopting attitudes that will result in bigger issues later.

 

Actually not placing enough signs isnt a crime that should defame someones record. It is just the condition of the spawnshop, so it goes in the spawnshop thread.

 

Beg to differ.. number of signs are defined under "Server Rules", clause 2.2, it is not merely a condition.

So until changed it is still a rule, one that if not adhered to means that the player is contravening the server rules.

Should you perceive it as petty, well that is a personal opinion, however it does not distract from rules as defined by the server. So back to my earlier post, where do we draw the line as to what rules can be bent, flaunted, enforced or ignored?

 

I agree that the rules should be followed - I have thought about this more and really feel that it may be best if they are not going to have a working shop, it may be better to not require or allow any signs as I personally feel that shops with "troll" signs may be less attractive than an empty spot.

 

Honestly that should even be a serious rule. It should be a separate spawnshop rule you agree to when renting one.
Players can have scamming, hacking, trolling and etc. in their record... But spawnshop complaints are, as you noticed me say, are petty.
They need to be separated, since they may be a couple of these complaints lets say. Somebody searches a players record. He sees these couple of complaints. From glance this player has a criminal record. It can make a different view of the player easily.
Also no player would EVER be banned for spawnshop sign problems right? That would be ridiculous. Lets look at a ban appeal from spawnshop sign placement failure.
Reason why you should be unbanned: I totally forgot! I was on holiday! My computer broke! My dog ate my keyboard!
Complaints are something not to joke about and i actually saw people reporting sign failure IN the spawnshop thread.