If your homework takes you 3 minutes, I want to transfer to your school! I don't want or think it needed to be that long, each individual rule is able to be re-written in a short time, but it still shows that they care.
+187 users learn absolutely nothing by ctrl f ctrl c ctrl v Nothing Forcing them to prove they read it by summarizing is an excellent way to show that they a) read it and b) understand the key points I really hope staff starts doing this asap
I have an example as to why this would be helpful. Lets pretend I have a report on dolphins due for my school, I can go to Wikipedia and copy the entire article and that would be my report. Did I learn anything? No. Then lets say I go to school the next day and I am told that I have to take a test on dolphins. Will I pass the test? No. This is practically the same this as copying the rules compared to their actual performance on the server.
Yes, I agree completely that this is practically the same. The difference is that you go to school specifically to learn, whereas you go to ECC to have fun and socialize.
Having someone write something in their own words will not stop scams any more than copy pasting will. And it does not change the purpose of the server.
Yes this is true, but players that are breaking rules are causing others to not have fun. Going back to the example that I gave, scamming or rule breaking is similar to cheating on this "test". It can effect other players in a negative way. Whether that be causing the loss of money or offending them, it just causes them to have less fun. If this is implemented then more players would be having fun. Remember that not everyone has to write these "essays", just the rule breakers that have been banned and want to return.
i wholeheartedly disagree. writing something in their own words as opposed to copy and pasting it shows that they have read it and understand it. that is key to reform. the individual needs to needs to be able to recognize a) what they did wrong and b) what the alternative acceptable behavior is. copy and pasting can easily be done by rote with absolutely no sign of understanding the meaning of the concepts contained in the words. while i basically agree that writing in own words wont stop scamming anymore than copy and pasting, that is a discussion for another thread. The only thing that is going to stop scamming is something that isn't being currently done and from what i can tell, wont ever be done. but at least telling people to read, understand and be able to explain what rule they broke will make it less likely they will violate some rules repeatedly. my comment was basically meant to call attention to your pollyannish view of this server and its "purpose" from what i can tell, the purpose of this server is to teach people how to take advantage of other people with little regard for for reforming them when they are finally caught with enough evidence to convict. you know like the economy
I think most of this is definitely a discussion for a different thread. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on the purpose of the server, although it seems like we do agree that copy/paste vs. own words will not do much difference.
I only agree in the scamming sense I still think it would be a great idea in all other cases. Spamming vulgarity etc. If you don't enact this, you are making a mistake. It's a great idea.
It would be an interesting way to compare notes with repeat offenders, the old scenario where I think I am saying don't break the rules and someone is hearing it as please do
Another noteworthy thing that I would like to point out is that if the user is a repeat offender then they have already been told all the rules, but they may not completely understand them. If this system is added then it will make sure that they completely understand all of the rules that they broke.
Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V is not too hard to learn and to me really shows no effort or understanding of what is being copied. How many Appeals (not just the rules) have simply been copied and pasted - sometimes several times? When I see that it is my thought that there is no real understanding of even that concept. On a related note: How many times do we see (those of us that do spend time reading bans/complaints) comments being made over and over even when warned by the mods to stop - or on several different threads? Sometimes I feel that they don't get it either. Sorry about the rant. Wishing everyone success!
You can have all the fun you want, getting unbanned in minutes from doing something bad by Ctrl F+ Copy + Paste. But when the people start doing it again and again, not in actuality knowing what rule they broke, then the fun is gone for everyone in a seemingly easily penetrable discipline system. There are rules to keep people safe and for everyone to have fun. Its already disappointing enough seeing tons of people getting past the appeal process with the family member excuse (my biggest annoyance). However, I feel like we either stop doing this or add the suggestion because tbh it just makes our appeal process look stupid when the staff member says: "Please paste the rule you broke on the thread."
Of course you wouldn't like to see the change.you and the rest of the people that would actually have to do the critical thinking would probably much prefer only to having cut and paste. Considering your ban history, I guess your "-1" is just another positive vote in favor.
clou44 You stated people go to ECC to have fun and not to learn. Correct but this is NOTHING to do with learning and education. The sole purpose of this thread is an idea that rather than letting people copy paste the rule they broke, the would go and summarize it to PROVE they have actually READ and UNDERSTOOD the rules they broke. Scenario 1: Scammer is asked to copy paste rules, Scammer goes on the wiki and simply search for it then copy paste it without reading it. Why do I say without reading? Let's take a look, there is a massive amount of people banned for scamming not once, but twice and that's because they never learnt from copy pasting. You're saying that it doesn't reduce scams, correct, but at least it provides EVIDENCE that the user has actually READ the rules. Scenario 2: Scammer is asked to summarize the rule he broke, Scammer would go read the rules since he must do this in order to have a summary written out. Now why is this a good thing? Let's take a look, I've highlighted the main points above from an article I have read. This is exactly why we need this, reading the rules allows the human brain to interpret it and decode it, just like an ATM decrypting the code to send a payment to the person, the brain would decrypt the words to send a signal to the person reading it, so he can have some sense of meaning.
Yes, I did say those things. But I also said that we would be attempting to implement it for the appropriate players. If that message was not understood, I am sorry. We have been discussing this suggestion within the staff team though.
