I think the rules are fine at the moment, I see no major issues that are ruins anyone's experience on the server. An x-rayer becoming unbanned doesn't really affect most, is andrewkm wants to let them back onto the server and give them another chance, then let them. It doesn't even affect you. I am aware their are other types of 'perma-ban' but things such as donation scamming, being a donators doesn't get your out of. X-ray is the only real common one.
If it did happen it would be a number (50k, 100k, different levels). People could dump the bal in a sign. But if they were charged 50k with only 10k in the balance and the rest in the sign, they would have a bal of -40000.
Maybe not an x-rayer bothering people but someone who trolls and harasses players over 20 bans is obviously not learning their lesson.
I am a donator and I will say this. I do not care who you are if you cheat to get any type of an advantage then you should be gone. Any thing else I feel can be forgiven. What we need to understand is that there are ways to determine how extreme the cheating/offense is. There are plenty of donators who have been severly punished and/or banned. I can tell you that non donators tend to get away with their fair share as well. Everything seems to work out well in the end.
First of all, sorry, I can't reply to all of these because then the post would go on forever... Second, what I mean by "stricter rules" should be clarified just a bit. I am going to say, XRay should be permabanned, donator or not. It causes a monopoly, which is too much for the server to handle. If this is too strict, then erase EVERYTHING they have so they are allowed, but they need to earn everything that they got. I also want to include that I see people take advantage of their donation rank ALL the time. For example, just a couple of hours ago, I saw someone just counting down in global from 10. This person, if he was a builder, would most likely get warned then kicked. This donator wasn't even warned until after he was done. Why is it that a donator gets leniency? I think that if you are a donator, you SHOULD be mature enough to have that donation, and you shouldn't just donate so you can break all the rules you want. There are many occasions that I see donators "taking advantage" of this, I just won't post them here unless I have permission from a mod. If you are wondering why I won't be a donator, I keep it to myself. I make all these claims with evidence from past experiences and with friends and family. I have friends that are both donators and mods, so I know what the leniency is on others. Basically, don't ask why I don't donate, I won't tell unless you are actually a close friend of mine.
Greetings, I just want to say my two cents and I'll continue lurking. Normally I would not say any of this as I don;t want to appear disloyal, but since the conversation is being made... I am new to this whole multiplayer server thing, so if my terms/understanding of things are off, I apologize in advance. I agree that cheating is cheating, and should be banned. Donations should *NOT* figure into the decision. Just the fact that it is being figured in, means that someone is thinking, "Well, I donated, so I have a better chance of getting back if I get caught. So heck, I'll see if I can get away with it." It should be the opposite, "Well, I donated, I had better not screw this up and lose my money/features, so I will make sure to play within the rules more carefully now." I read the Complaints/Ban Appeals thread everyday. I read it during lunch at work since I can;t do anything else Minecraft related on work PCs. I always see the phrase: "We do not unban for Xray." It is being implied, if not stated directly, in this thread that this is not true. If I am reading this correctly, then people ARE being unbanned after using xray. I would hate to think that mods/admins are misleading everyone and hold a double standard for donators. While I understand each case may be different, (and I have no problems with a decision being based on the merits of the situation/individual), I never understood the whole "If you donate you can appeal directly to andrew or wewin to get unbanned." Let me rephrase... I understand the point of it, (if someone has donated, then they are more likely to be a continuous or long standing member), but it doesn't seem "fair", to put it bluntly. I am astonished at how many times certain donators appear in that thread. In fact, last week I saw a donator who was kicked/banned and I even laughed thinking, "What is he going to say tomorrow to get right back on?"... and there it was. He posted yet another apology, and all was right in the world. Isn't there a limit to how many times someone can be kicked/banned and they really get banned for an extended period? I am not questioning the mods. I do not know what goes on behind the curtain. I am sure a lot of discussion goes on to determine best courses of action. But it does seem like things are extremely lenient. It was said a while back (2 months?) that things were going to tighten up. I did not see it. In theory I agree with the Original Poster. In reality I am hoping that it is already happening, we just are jaded by our preconceived notions on what "respected member/donator" should mean, and who we have playing with us. In closing, I understand this is andrew's sandbox, and I'm just being allowed to play here. I don;t agree with all his decisions, but I do agree to try to help maintain the brainwashing rallying cry. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." Adieu.
I 100% agree with you. Donators should think what I highlighted, and that is a moral that all donators should agree to follow before donating. The second red is what I want everyone to see on this thread. THIS is what makes me mad. If a donator is able to come back, let all the builders back.
Xray should not be a permaban, it is a very small offense. In other words, you are saying that if someone greifed an entire town, they would get a tempban, but for somethin less serious a permanent ban? There is no reason to permanently ban someone from the server for such a small crime, as opposed to other things. Also, I get bored sometimes, so I read ban appeals. And 99/100 people get unbanned, even builders.
XRay is a VERY SERIOUS crime. Servers like ECC is driven by how much people mine or farm, and if you illegally obtain items in an unfair manner, that is causing a monopoly, meaning that the server is greatly effected by this mistake.
Shtoobie Itsa_Spenca is right. We take it seriously because this is an economy. Anything illegally effecting the economy is a serious problem. On a server where the point is to build it probably isn't a big deal, but, here at ECC it is a massive problem.
So using xray to find 300 diamonds an hour is okay? that's using a diamond pick by the way, imagine a fortune 3 + efficiency pick. It would be possible to find up to 600-700 diamonds per hour. Doing that would be insane!, while the legit miners find 5 - 50 diamonds an hour.
Not even close to what Xrayers get, in fact, xrayers get nothing, because we have anti-Xray up, when was the last time you saw an Xray appeal? Also, I've done testing with Xray on my local server, You can get roughly 1-2 stacks of diamonds per hour (But you would have to ignore the other ores, so nothing would change), not 600-1000, because that's ridiculous. As for this suggestion, you only see what happens to donators, you don't really look at what happens to non-donators. The appeal of this server is that we're very forgiving, I like this, it's one of the reasons I still play, of course, some people take it too far, I agree, we need to crack down on those, but we shouldn't say that all donators should be dealt with just like non-donators. They invested money in our server, they are the reason the server is still up, they deserve "special" treatment. And if you're going to say something like "people buy features with EcoDollars, so they don't support the server", they do support the server, if they didn't pay the person who donated for him then no one would've donated. Xrayers also follow a strict temp-ban process, and their ban will increase manyfold each time they do it, until at some point they can't come back on the server any more. This has NEVER happened before. As for repeat offenders, I agree we need to be harsher on them, but the punishment also depends on what they do, ie a repeat scammer has stopped scamming but slipped up in chat and got himself banned for swearing/language, he would not receive a ban as long as what he would get if he scammed someone again, because it's less severe. Repeat offenders we also thoroughly discuss in the staff section, we make sure we all make the right choice when it comes to them. This has never happened before, only one person only did it twice, and he received a month tempban, he never got into trouble ever again. hg tempbans and lotto tempbans are silly, people simply leave to play hg on another server and losing lotto abilities is hardly a bad thing, it just means he won't lose any money for 3 days. Lwc limit lowering wouldn't work because of both unlimited LWC and the fact that people can already have more locks than what they can use, like what happened last time andrew lowered LWC limits a bit. The only thing that could work is balance/inventory/enderchest wipes for Xrayers and donation scammers. I do agree we need to be slightly harsher on donators, but not to the point where they are permabanned or lose the will to play on ECC
Spenca, idc how you feel towards donators, as a donator I know we get more ablites then you do. That is something rewarded to us, I believe that ECC keeps it to the same, because we have a better relationship with Andrew then anyone else/non donators.
Alright, so I guess xray is worse than I thought, but Spence. You seem to be against donators altogether in this thread....
No just no If I were perma banned after donated all this money I would CRY and donators help keep the server up if the users had less reason to donate the server would have less donaters.
If you donated a couple hundred dollars to the server only to get temporarily banned for weeks on end... you'd be a little upset don't you think?
