Denied [SkyBlock Server Suggestion] Skyblock to City Conversion (Bank Money)

Strong! what some players are wanting to see is a completely even playing field. No advantages for either paying money for or allowing any usage of money earned by grinding or purchasing for years of playing.
This of course will never happen since andrew has already added money to buycraft. And you can see by the contracts that forum money is already purchasing spawn towns.
You are absolutely correct, there will always be rich and poor players in the game. And the poor will always complain the rich get richer. Mostly this is simply because the richer players tend to take the time to grind, stay away from lotto mostly, and manage their money carefully. The poor will typically be those that hang out, do very little work, and mismanage their money.
Six months from now, if not sooner, the complaints will begin about how it is unfair that the wealthy players have such an advantage.
I also agree with you that the idea of isr getting smaller as your island level grows is probably a good idea.

 

The issue with this line of thought is that it isn't as simple as rich players doing more work/managing their money better.

It's far easier to get a lot of ECD with /isr than it was on main, or will be on city. Rich players on skyblock can easily use their wealth to buy things which increase their production, letting the rich become exponentially richer in a relatively short amount of time. Once you get to a certain point, you can earn 15k ECD an hour on skyblock with only a few minutes of effort. Even for new players on skyblock, they can earn an easy 7.5k ECD an hour by buying gold blocks from other players for half of their ISR. What this does is distort the distribution of money so that the rich players on skyblock will have a ridiculous amount of money you could never hope to earn without far more effort on city, casual skyblock players won't be as rich but still fairly wealthy, while people who don't play skyblock because they don't like it will be completely left behind. We should be able to earn just as much ECD on the "main" economy server - city - as we can earn on skyblock. Especially because of how easy it is to automate/AFK levels in skyblock.

When skyblock launched, people played main less and less so that this wasn't really an issue. But if ISR stays exactly the same when City launches, this WILL ruin the economy over time. Automating ways to earn AFK money on skyblock SHOULD NOT be the deciding factor in who the richest players are in City.

Another issue with ISR is that it made SBD effectively worthless after about a month. Other than buying random items from a few player shops, no one uses SBD in skyblock anymore. Everyone is trying to cash out of skyblock by trading away as much as they can for ECD. It's impossible to buy spawners in skyblock with SBD from other players now. It's near impossible to buy a significant amount of blocks for levels, like gold or iron, without spending ECD.

For these reasons, ISR is obviously harmful for both City and Skyblock, and should be modified, heavily nerfed or possibly removed.

 

I hate to say it but regardless of how this goes, it will still be a mess.. There is way too much money out there. I was hoping to see it be a whole new experience regardless of new or old players.

People have already bought tons of ecd for city with usd.... Right from the go there will be millions pouring into the economy. My hope is that it all goes into the black hole of the forums for ranks and towns

People have millions saved in forum bank.... I was under the impression we were allowed to use this for forum stuff? ranks? towns?

Star tools appear to be a go as well..

At this point allowing ECD from Bank cant do any worse. I agree with everyone stating for it to be allowed for ranks and towns.. basically anything that can be be purchased through forums. Although I thought that was already the case from what andrew said in the beginning. I guess I mis-heard that.

 

It has nothing to do with players being richer then others or an even playing field. This is supposed to be a reset of the main server. If ecd is allowed to be withdrawed in 6-12 months, whatever the economy was before hand will be destroyed. There is way to much ecd in forum banks which is why we are proposing that ecd only be used for forum apps/town apps so the money doesnt enter the economy at all.

 

But doesn't it still enter the economy in a way?
Players will still trade materials for forums balance because they can use the forum balance to get ranks which include towns which effect property prices aka the economy or a side of the economy anyway.
So making forum bals for ranks and apps essentially is effecting the economy in a huge way.

I thought the reset was also to do with new biomes and the fact the old world couldn't update. If the world could have been update, no 'reset' would be happening anyway. So is it really a reset? Afterall, im sure we all remember the welcome message about main never resetting :3

 

I agree with this. I think we should also tweak the prices of ranks and towns for the new city. These prices haven't changed for years and what was considered rich before (E.g. 500k Tycoon) is easily obtainable by today's standards; Lots of people have at least 1 million dollars on the forums so by letting people use their forum money with the current prices Tycoon is possible for many people on the very first day. We should change the prices if we are going to allow this.

 

The following operations that affect forum bank balances are currently available:

• Withdrawing into Skyblock at a 1:10 conversion rate.
• /isr
• Withdrawing to the Archive server at a 1:1 rate.
• Depositing from the Archive server.
• Sending money to players with forum premium.
• Receiving money from other players.
  
• VMR prizes.

The issue lies within the third to sixth operation.

We cannot. That's the point I've been trying to make via my previous posts.

Yes, it is a headache. (And a futile effort.)
No, it's not possible.



Here's the most compact example I can imagine:

• You have $10 000, earned via the main server.
• I have $5 000, earned via /isr.
• I /pay you $5 000.
• You now have $15 000.
• You buy something from a player for $10 000.

Now tell me, who owns the $5 000 that need to be adjusted because they originated on Skyblock?

• I no longer have the money. And even if I did, did I send you my main server money or my /isr money?
• You still have $5 000. Maybe you paid the player with your main server money?
• The player who received $10 000 could have received $5 000 Skyblock ECD from you. Or just $4 000. Or none at all!

This is what I've been trying to point out when I call EcoDollars "intangible" goods - it is impossible to identify where the money came from and who owns it now as soon as it has been mixed with other money (e.g. from the Archive server) and sent to and/or received from players even once.


It's not just difficult, it's not just a headache to do - it's impossible.
The only scenario where you could actually do this is if someone has never removed money from their bank balance and it's thus (easily) possible to determine how much they earned via ISR transfers (as all of the money is still in the same place).

 

It literally isn't, unless you can find a definitive answer to the scenario I presented.

If I use /pay, a trade sign, /lot, anything that transfers ECD either to someone else or to the server, you need to make up a rule to determine where the money came from. It's not (realistically) possible to find a definitive answer to my scenario, and that's just one single transaction. Since Skyblock was released, I'm pretty sure that the more active players have had hundreds or even thousands of transactions since. (Lotto, creating trade signs, buying from players, applying for ranks, the list goes on forever.)

It's not realistically¹ doable, not even for a single player.

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¹ I'm saying "realistically" because it is doable... if you make up many arbitrary rules and are willing to accept nasty consequences to the economy because almost any player on ECC would be affected by saying "A transferred money to B, who then transferred money to C, so let's decrease C's balance".

 

Right now our decision is simply to enable bank withdraw after 12 months.
(I was going to go with 6 months, but I've changed my mind to the expanded time frame of 12).

Regarding nerfing ISR, as I have seen people discuss above, we will be nerfing it, however it will happen around season 3 or 4 (once our skyblock plugin is compatible with 1.13/1.14).

Feel free to suggest fresh ideas/topics after 8-10 months of City uptime, so we can rethink our game plan.