Should Horse Stealing Be Allowed? [Poll]

No No No just no people could just cage their horses anyways

 

I did cage my horse up.. still there for now because I have a room completely made of furnaces But.. them horse robbers.. they will find anyway possible to steal them. For people who have a place for the horse.. the horse robbers will most likely grief in and replace it. So it is not that the owner's are not locking them up, it is that people who have perms are breaking in then replacing the damage on the way out.

p.s Jacob: THEY DO LOCK THERE HORSE'S UP. . Most do or else the horse would wander off..

 

And do you even have a horse? Because if you got one stolen you would understand what others feel and would probably take back you comment.

 

I meant to vote no, meaning I don't think this should be allowed.

 

Agreed.

 

I also think a lot of people just want horse stealing to be allowed to make profit, thats just wrong.

 

It is like saying that donation scamming, or loan scamming is legal. Which, by Pbrassat and Revan's own posts, it seems it is. As long as they don't have the evidence against you, its free money right? That is EXACTLY how chronic scammers view their actions. They know they will get away with it.
You can do anything as long as there is no evidence against you.
^This sentence is despicable.
Anyone who says horse stealing is okay is evil, regardless of the reasons why they said it. Stealing is Stealing.
I agree 100% with Office. It is just horribly wrong.

As a result of this, i believe that the server should invest in code that would allow tracking of horses. I also believe that donations and loans should be policed better. The main reason why, is because those that know the system, and know they can get away with it get ahead in the game, while the wronged party is left with nothing. Many of these people that get scammed end up leaving ECC. These are GOOD people that are leaving, Also perpetuating the fact that untrustworthy people stay in ECC, protected by the mods. Just because scamming happens in ECC does NOT make it right. Also, a note to people who care about the server, such as Andrew. These practices are pushing people away from ECC. This means a loss of revenue that could be used to support the server. (And in the case of donation scamming, a DIRECT loss of funds, seeing as they never actually donate).
Horses need a better security system. I know that i do not have enough locks to create an entire safe room for it, and it is ridiculous that i should need to. I do not own a horse, and will never own a horse for this reason.

 

I agree with you 1000000% whoever voted yes on this, steals horses for profit and will soon have no friends

 

zedoker I hope you realize that even though, they griefed with the intention to steal the horse, they would only be punished for breaking the block, and NOT for stealing the horse. Plus, if they just replace the blocks, there would be very little proof. And heaven forbid they do it on saturday night, the day before they wipe the logs. then there is no evidence whatsoever.
Also, about losing a free prize. You are wrong. If i hatched an egg to use for myself, i am giving up the possibility of selling the horse for 20-30k. And you would need to pay that cost to get one back off the market to replace it. Say what you want, getting a horse stolen is losing 20-30k no matter how you slice the information.

 

Alright let me possibly rephrase what I had said.

It is not possible to get evidence of whom owns what horse. And seeing as a Horse is considered a Entity i beleive it is not possible to create a code to track them, and even if we had one it would take up a lot of resources as we would basicly need a file per horse. Which brings me on to the next topic, how would a moderator or staff member know who's horse is whose?

If you make a proper stable it shouldnt be possible to steal horses.

On to the Donation scamming thing you mentioned;

The staff team requires the users who are taking part in the trade to take their own screenshots. It is not the staff's responsibility to make sure trades go correct, or that you have the evidence to back up your claim. That is up to the users taking part in the trade.

That would go for any sort of scamming.

Next:
Taking from an unlocked chest is similar to this, it is your responsibility to make sure you lock your chests and secure them.

And my final point:
Mobs were enabled when I first joined the server about 1.5 years ago, and during that time it was your responsibility to make sure they were in a secure location, if you are honestly scared that someone will take your horse I suggest you wait another few weeks or months and horses will be more common than you think, and it wouldnt be worth users to steal them anymore.


I hope this made sense for all you, and if it didnt please notify me so I can clarify. Scamming is not alright, just it is up to the users to get the proper evidence.

 

1. As for making horse stealing illegal, that cannot happen currently, even if everyone wants it. You cannot get proof because of several following reasons. Name tags can be changed. There are only 34-38 types of horses, there is a chance someone got the same pattern house you got. Screenshots of anyone getting on your horse can be faked and cannot prove they stole it. Witness's can lie and be faked. Even video evidence can be faked. If you videoed someone getting on it and logging off, you could easily have hired someone to do it. Even if you videoed someone getting on it and riding away, or leading it away with a lead, it can be faked or staged, even if extremely unlikely, it is not solid evidence. Unless someone broke into a room to steal it, they cannot get in trouble, and only then for breaking the blocks.

2. If it were possible to keep people from stealing horses in a fairly-workable way, then it would be done already. Unless my understanding is wrong, the staff would prefer there be a way to keep horses from being stolen. Unless Andrew has already decided that it be better if horses were free game (forgive the pun) then I can assume he considered ways to keep it from happening.



I still agree horse stealing should be stopped but unless the staff think of a way to track horses, or a way of locking them, we're kind of stuck with the system we have now. But as someone above said, horses rarity will go down after a while, and they won't be worth stealing.

 

I guess I missed this thread when I made this suggestion but it sums up my thoughts on the subject and I'm not sure if there are any rules against crossposting

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/t...e-its-not-illegal-doesnt-make-it-right.59582/


"The current situation is frankly unconscionable and I don't understand why it is currently being tolerated. I understand that it is a brand new feature to the game, but I think that we as a community should be adapting our rules and morays to new features. The demand for horses is very high. The impetus to steal or cheat people out of money or horses is great. I would like to see the admins/super/mods take some kind of action to prevent/punish this kind of anti-social, anti-community behavior."

 

We all know you can't prove your horse is your horse BUT if somehow andrew made locks for horses that would change this situation

 

That thread I linked just had a link to a bukkit plug in that is in alpha that might fix the problem

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Thank you Pbrassat. I understand that the technology doesn't currently exist, i was making a point that it may be worth investing in. I would be curious if aracelas suggestion regarding the plugin would be useful for this situation.
I'm not just frustrated at the server, i'm frustrated with life because i see the same things happening in real life. I know that the staff makes a strong effort to resolve all complaints they can, but even you guys know it isn't enough. I thank you for all your efforts. Unfortunately, the issue with the bad rising to the top instead of the good rising is just a fact of life. What made me unhinge is that people are talking about it like it is okay. Please understand the frustration, it is not mean't at you mods, you do the best you can and i really appreciate it (no sarcasm in that statement, i really mean it)

 

No, it shouldn't be allowed. Even though I don't own a horse, here is my two cents.
Everything has a right to be stolen, true, but, only if it is unlocked, horses can't be locked. Given that statement being said, they shouldn't be allowed to be stolen as they never had the chance to be locked, they can't be stolen. End of story, until they can be locked, it should be against the rules to be able to steal a horse.

 

the 20-30k is not necessarily true. You didnt sell it, so no money was lost. If you bought it, then you lost. If there is a horse missing, just have an investigator examine every block that surrounds thee horse, easiest way to have someonefound out

 

Now if a user uses illegal ways to get into the builder (Griefing for example) you may file a grief report but we wont do anything against horses being stolen at this time.

 

That's so jacked

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Zedoker, i take it you have absolutely no economics experience. And before you say anything, no, playing on this server doesn't count. You would be interested to know of a concept called "Opportunity Cost". I trust you are smart enough to work out its implications in the above situation.