Scams: Just Banning Doesn't Help Much.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HuntFishLive, Dec 25, 2013.

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Should the victim of the scam get a refund of there money from the scammer's account?

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  1. OnSceneReporter

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    No no, Person D is giving Scammer B money for a sword. -- But even in what you suggest, now Staff C needs to go look for the sword... Where is it? I personally have at least 100 double chests hidden in several locations. Now what?

    As I illustrated in my hypothetical, Persons A and D's situations were straight forward, and they each got back 50% of what ever Scammer B has in his/her balance. The problem is when Person E realizes he/she has been scammed in another deal.

    What do you do?

    Even in the real world, cases like this are most often civil cases, where plantiffs gather evidence (on their time) and present it to a judge or magistrate for evaluation. Most often in civil disputes, the municipality is not going to spend the time and money of taxpayers to conduct government investigations unless the matter is of clear criminal impact -- and then those proceedings take so long to conduct...

    We are not paying staff to deal with this kind of deep stuff. Well, maybe we should...

    Let's make this as close to real world as possible. All ecocitycraft denizens can pay an annual tax for citizenship. A new level of staff is created for investigation only, and only ECC citizens get to file for a staff investigator to investigate their matters. This way, for the incredible amount of effort involved, such individuals get paid for their work. We'll have to institute levels of tax, like, level 1 only gets 1 investigable complaint every month. And Level 2 (pays 50% more tax) gets a smiley face from andrewkm when that complaint is filed. Much fun.
     
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    I am sort of tempted to try making a an 'escrow service' but I have no idea how how that would work, and I can only envision all kinds of problems flying all over the place from that kind of thing.
     
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    Ok, I do agree that it is unrealistic for ECC. What would you say to my suggestion of returning money when the necessary funds are in the perpetrators balance? Ie stolen 500k and there is 500k+ in the balance? Is it not desirable to refund when possible?
     
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    I don't think thats a good idea. I already illustrated how some people could complain later on about incidents and their ability to claim is gone.

    Also consider that if a third person was scammed out of say 1 mil, and in the staff dealing of the first parties simply divides the scammer's balance to pay them, a portion of that could be from the third person's 1 mil, and then that third person won't get paid bc his/her complain would be filed later.

    Logistically it is just not feasible without creating a complex system of red tape to lock everybody in the attempt to mitigate scams - and then that system can break as soon as someone finds a loophole or an outrageous situation happens. I think you would also find that a large number of people would be upset over the over-regulating, or find it very hard to adhere to all the possible regulations that could make scamming an easier situation to mitigate with respect to the thread suggestion -- which again creates the need for intense investigation on behalf of the staff who are already busy as is.

    The only reasonable thing is that you look up the background of the person you are dealing with.
     
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    Well you've convinced me! Haha. I can't argue/disagree with anything you've said. I was over complicating the matter and envisaging some complex system which just isn't realistic (or needed) on a minecraft server.
     
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    mhm
    so
    what is your point
    you basically didn't add anything to discussion other than a restatement of my points