Prices and Farming the right way

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  1. RagMan17

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    You are correct AFK time is not profitable time. My idea was just for myself since I do not actually like to farm but I do like to "rent" out my farm. If a renter strips the farm after an hour of farming 4 chunks it would be nice to be able to afk for a few minutes touching all 4 chunks so that it's ready for my next renter and then I can go back to mining.

    I have also found that people are more likely to rent my 48x48x7 than they were to rent my original 32x32x20. The 4 chunk farm had higher growth rates and more pumpkins overall, but when people come and looked at it they seem to be more inclined to rent when there are more pumpkins per floor, not more floors. Even if its under half as tall, has less pumpkins overall, and harder to grow since it covers 6 chunks. I could have probably found even more renters with a 1 story 200x200 since everyone seems fascinated with them.

    It is this lack of knowledge and perception that leads people to think something is better when it really is not, which is why I am grateful you are making this thread. Coming from a mod will hopefully seem more legit than from a normal player (again that whole perception deal where people think what a mod says is more valid than what others say, lol)

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  2. Tkick

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    Exactly my point Ryan. Thanks for your comment. Also I am building farms now to show people examples of how a very efficient farm would look like.
     
  3. WallyBean

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    Instead of giant 200x200 you make smaller farms with multiple floors, sky limit was changed to 255, few people use that to their advantage. With multiple floors, there is no down time/afk time as the floors will fill in by the time you are back to them if you have enough floors.
     
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    Is converting a large pumpkin farm to melons worth it?
     
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    Yes, especially if you have silk touch and/or effy tools.
     
  6. Tkick

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    Personally I would never convert any farm. If you want a melon farm then you should build one. :D
     
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    I've just put in my town app and the first construction project will be a heavily stacked 100x16 reed farm (I have Fly, and will probably expand out to 200x16). I tried out a small one today and although both reeds and pumpkins insta-break (although for pumpkins, at a much higher price tag!), the $0.20 price difference is nothing compared to the benefits:

    -No tool use: this not only saves money directly (no expensive silk touch / Eff5, no repairs) but also means you never, ever, ever have to stop. Ever.
    -I can move at 3x speed and only miss 5-10%, or 2.5x speed and miss nothing. Pumpkins get way too laggy above 2x.
    -No lag. With pumpkins you get random blocks which lag back into existence directly in front of you, stopping your forward momentum. If you chop these blocks, they create lag spots that cost even more time to get around.
    -No accidentally chopping dirt/plants when blocks respawn and push you off course.
    -Much more space efficient: a pumpkin farm is only 40% pumpkins, while sugar cane farming can get you anywhere from 66-80% sugar cane per farm.

    That said, sugar cane is slow. It takes each stage on average 5 minutes and 20 seconds to grow, so in order for it to regrow completely you need to spend about 11 minutes in the chunk. At speed 2.5x it only takes a couple seconds to clear a chunk. Assuming a default farm configuration (cane-water-cane-cane-water-cane) that's only a total of about 20 seconds in-chunk per harvest. So, theoretically speaking, you'd need 32 layers before your top layer would be fully regrown upon completion of the bottom.

    Of course I'm not sure how sugar cane growth and chunk loading really work on a detailed level, but the numbers seem to suggest a Very. Large. Farm.

    I'll let you know in a week or two once I have it running :D
     
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    Does it make a different if it is in 1 chunck or in the middle of 2 chunks
     
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    It makes a pretty big difference in regrowth rates. Crops will only grow when you're in the chunk, so a farm consisting of half of two chunks isn't going to grow nearly as quickly as a farm contained in one because you're only in each chunk for half the time. So, try to build even with chunks. You can always expand out and make a two (or more!) chunk-width farm. If you're doing melons/pumpkins, I'm sure you're already covering multiple chunks anyway.
     
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    Rockpm me when im online i could need your help with setting chunks ill pay u to identify chunks under my area :D
     
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    You can do it yourself like tkick said in an earlier post.

    Stand still on 1 block, hit F3, divide x and z (leave off the .xxxxxxxxx stuff) by 16. If it's a whole number your on the border of a chunk if not, move forward and repeat depending on if x or z is changing. Once you have X or Z dialed in to a whole number after dividing, then move left/right until you find the other. Once both divide to whole numbers you are now at the corner of a chunk.

    From there you can count 16 blocks in one direction to find the 2nd corner, then turn and count 16 blocks to find 3rd corner and then turn and head to the 4th by again counting 16 blocks. Check the math at each one and if all 4 corner blocks are whole numbers when dividing x and z by 16 you will have your exact square chunk.

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    Can u help me with wheat farm and pumpkin farm building
     
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    A 32x16 pumpkin farm would be useless. The time it takes to switch between lanes makes it almost impossible to speed farm. For every 5 seconds you take to farm 32 blocks, you need to spend 3 seconds to switch t the next lane. I would rather AFK for 2 hours and have 2 hours of consistent farming.
     
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    Tkick can u help my by telling us the best spot to put water to make wheat grow at the fastest speed :D. thanks.
     
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    I have just about finished all 3 of my example farms. They have all been started but are not all ready for display. They are out the "west portal" of spawn or you can use /warp west if you have the command. In the town Mariana.

    PM me in game to see them. I would love to help everyone but I'm hoping that people can help each other too. I'm often busy and interrupted while building/farming. I already helped start about 5 farms. Please feel free to help each other! It's great to pass on knowledge!
     
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    That's true at Eff5/Fly rates, but for people operating at anything under that 32x16 isn't awful, and much more profitable if you build enough floors. That said, if you CAN go bigger -- why not? As long as you have enough floors, any size can be efficient.
     
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    To have 2 hours of consistent farming you would need a 200x200 farm with many floors. Which would take many many hours to build. I also don't think it takes me 3s to turn around :S Once you are used to turning it's pretty fast. And it's grown as long as you possibly can farm.

    You could of course do a 16x200 if you really wanted to. And as long as it's all in the same chunks then you'd be growing it much faster than a 200x200 as you go up the floors.

    To each their own. :D
     
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    I really doubt that you can turn and hit the next row of pumpkins in less than 5 or 4 seconds. As a builder, I dug a 8x12 down to bedrock and got about 3k/hour with a diamond axe. My friend had 2 story 20x20 (significantly less area) and got 4k/hour with a diamond axe. Just because I had to turn more. It only takes 3 stories to be able to constantly farm a 200x200 at 90% full. But I agree that a 200x16 is the supreme pumpkin farm design.
     
  19. Tkick

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    I can clear 2 stories of a 200x200 and it is not near 90% full, not even close. I will test your 3 floor theory. Even though it would still take a long time to build. And also, this 200x16 would only be an alternative for those with eff5, enchanted repairs and speed. As soon as my pumpkin farm is done I will farm it and tell you exactly how much I get. ^.^ To the 0.01 :eek:
     
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    You could have just used mine...lol.