Microsoft Or Apple.

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Microsoft or Apple?

  1. Microsoft

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    - Lamadai
    - KeRanger
    - A few other malwares that I can't be bothered to look up right now.

    Is Mac OS immune to malware? No, absolutely not.
    Is Mac OS far less likely to be targeted by malware? Yes.

    Let's look at the analytics of the Wikimedia Foundation from 2017-01-01 to 2017-10-04. It's not a perfect data set, but analyzing the user agents of people who access Wikipedia at least offers a very large sample size. I'm going to focus on the desktop version

    - 35% Windows 7
    - 28% Windows 10
    - 11% Mac OS X
    - 6.2% Windows 8.1
    - 3.1% Windows XP
    - 1.6% Windows 8
    - 0.96% Linux
    - 0.88% Windows 98
    - Far too many other operating systems, including a few other Windows and UNIX/Linux versions.

    To summarize the above data:

    - 75.78% Windows
    - 11% Mac OS X
    - 13.22% Other OSs

    Basically, there is less malware for Mac OS simply because Windows is the most widespread OS and thus the most important target.


    Secondary source: Steam's hardware survey for September 2017 lists Mac OS X at 2.74%.




    After a quick look at the official Apple accessories page:
    - Wireless earbuds for ~$150.
    - Headphones for ~$300.
    Hm. Do I want to buy a new (non-i)Phone or do I want to buy headphones...?

    After a slightly less quick look at the official Apple products page:
    I have yet to find a single Apple product that offers similar performance to Asus's, Acer's or any of the I-don't-even-know-how-many other manufacturers' stock PC and is cheaper - but some apple products are up to twice as expensive compared to the competitors.

    I don't have much time right now, so I'm going to skip a price/performance comparison with custom built PCs.




    I decided to check the Steam data.

    Browsing all products without any OS limitations shows 32,060 results.
    Browsing all products with the [Windows] tag shows 32,060 results.
    Browsing all products with the [SteamOS + Linux] tag shows 7,628 results.
    Browsing all products with the [Mac OS X] tag shows 12,003 results.

    ~37.4% of all Steam games are Mac OS compatible. Personally, I don't think I'm going to bother with Mac OS as long as most of my Steam library games aren't compatible.




    That brings me to my final issue:

    Microsoft offers (or at least did, I haven't checked in a while) unlicensed .iso files for development purposes, which means that you can theoretically test the OS before deciding to switch. However, according to my research the only legal way to obtain Apple .iso files is by creating them from a currently running system - which makes it pretty hard to test; most people probably don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a new device just to test an operating system.
     
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    tl:dr Windows op apple overpriced
     
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    I prefer Windows when playing games, although I use my dual-boot Ubuntu for anything related to software development.
     
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    all those points were from a post that I said was a joke, I wasn’t actually serious you know like omg I use a Note 8 o_O
     
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    Well, apparently that wasn't obvious enough... :p

    Anyway, I decided to address those points because that's almost exactly what I usually hear in that kind of conversation.
     
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    You obviously cant read as i said its a ever growing market,
    Show me the stats of how many games were compatible on Mac 10 years ago.

    That was my point that as always, you completely missed.
    Twisting someones quote to fit your 'research' is a little pathetic, just saying :D
     
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    I can't do that because I don't have the data.

    There's just one problem: I never intended to refute your point.
    Steam doesn't have any official statistics about Mac OS compatibility, so I can neither prove nor disprove your argument and had to look at today's state instead.

    I'd like to argue that Windows's huge market share might not help the MacOS/Linux compatibility in the future, but as I mentioned I don't have any past data to base my assumption on and will therefore skip this point.

    TL;DR of my previous post:
    I don't really care how/whether the Mac OS compatibility is going to increase in the future because I have no reliable data; the current situation does not convince me - as a Windows/Linux user - to switch to Mac OS at this time.
     
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    Windows is so lit Microsoft ftw




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    Stop the science 2017
     
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    Depending on what am I going to use it for, Mac has a lot better music editors and movie editors but windows is with no doubt better for gaming. When I'm going to go intense gaming (SG, etc.) I hop in my windows setup, if I'm going to go melon farming I just prefer to lie down and use my mac to check forum news, discord and easy thingies.
     
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    Even though it is kinda laggy sometimes, my Mac is indispensable.
     
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    Apple > Any other sad tech company that wants to be like apple (Microsoft, Samsung, Android, etc.).
     
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    Microsoft, no contest.

    Apple preys on those who don't know or care about getting what they pay for. Macs are hideously overpriced, with a premium iMac costing 3,000 dollars and having the internals equivalent to a windows PC that could be bought or built for under 1,000. Their phones also bone the consumer in terms of money, using 4 year old hardware and putting a massively restrictive OS on them. Not to mention that their phones are basically built to be obsolete within 2 years of their purchase.

    Their product design is clean and easy to use because that is what preys on technically uninitiated individuals.

    What an apple product can do, another product is sure to do better and for less cheddar.

    Please name 1 mac specific piece of software that is better than what windows runs.
     
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