Melons are the superior crop people! Its the cash crop and pumpkins make more money? Insanity, I'm shocked by some people saying, "Raise pumpkins! Raise Pumpkins!". I'm starting to agree with kuke, lower pumpkins and a little bump to melons. My price suggestion Pumpkins- $0.50 Melons-$1.80
Melonswords are dropping in prices at a fast rate, while fly remains steady. You don't need fly for melons, but you do for pumpkins. Pumpkins make more than melons, which is only fair, because you spend more money in pumpkin farming (7k axe, e-repair and fly), while for melons you only need a 250-300k sword, e-repairs are a preference, but not a necessity for lots of moneymaking and you don't need fly. So, fly and e-repair, that's 160 USD, AKA 800-960k for pumpkins and, e-repair $100, which is 500-600k and a melonsword, which is 250-300k, totalling to 750-900k for melons. Right now you make between $15750 and $17280 (average of $16515) per hour for melons and $17776.80 on average for pumpkins. So, looking at this, pumpkins cost more money, but will also make 1k an hour more on average. While melons cost around 50-60k less to start, so it also has 1k less profit an hour on average. Another way of looking at the difference is by looking at how long it takes to make the money you spend back. For pumpkins this is between 45 hours and 54 hours. (on average) for melons this is between 45.4 hours and 54.5 hours. (on average) Pumpkins and melons make the same amount of money in comparison to their losses, although, after making all your losses back you'll get pure profit. Pumpkins are better in that sense. Also keep in mind that both crops fully rely on the user market, if donations suddenly dropped to 4k/usd then the value of pumpkins would rise in comparison, it's the same with melonswords, if they would drop in price the value of melons would rise. It works the other way around too, if donations became around 7k/USD the value of pumpkins would drop in comparison, and if melonswords would go back up in price then the value of melonswords would drop. Just my 2 cents, I don't think these prices should be touched at all unless someone magically finds a way to increase the profit drastically.
You make a great point and I agree with all of them, and this may not be the place to post this, but I'm just wondering how you pumpkin farm (As in what speed, 1 row or 2 rows of pumpkins at the time, and where your player stands when they farm).
Thank you for taking in all the variables like fly and stuff and prices for ultimate farming And for doing the math and testing and stuff... Finally someone sees my point of view.
Also, you would need a bigger pumpkin farm than a melon farm, as you do run out of pumpkins faster than melons.
You can use fly for sooooo may other things not just for farming... Melon swords have one purpose and 1 purpose only, to cut doen melons. Pumpkin axes can be used to chop wood and fly can be used for infinite amounts of things other then pump farming. Melins should make more
Luke, you do make great points but, it is the users fault for paying all of that money to begin with! Melon swords dropped due to the melon drop therefore crashing the nether star economy! Atleast a 5 cent bump in price would revive a little of the nether star economy.
What do you base that statement on? The nstar economy crashed because of voting rewards, people suddenly started voting more, as well as the crash is caused by nstars no longer being scarce, they're abundant therefore the prices drop. It has absolutely nothing to do with melonswords or melonprices.
There is also a less competitive nature inside the spawn trade shops, due to the less visitors with the market lag since 1.6 update.
That is completely false, after the melon price dropped a meager $0.25, everyone freaked out. People started to mass sell their melon swords as they though that they could not make as much money with them as with pumpkins. Then, all the people that wanted melon swords fetched them at a great price. After this, no one felt the need to purchase more netherstars in order to get another melon sword and raise up the price again. Also, to be frank, the netherstar price fluctuates when Username and I change our prices and if no one buys the stars, we are forced to lower both our buying and selling prices. Basically, the drop in price was due to a recent lack in demand, of course, we had maybe a couple thousand more netherstars put into our economy, but in the past 3 weeks or so I have not sold more than 100 netherstars in one day. Finally, I don't know how people got the idea that donation features are solely for farming and that the features have a standard price in USD... A lot of users have bought these features with their own real cash, or bought them in the past at lesser prices. Saying that a donation feature costs a certain amount of Ecodollars although maybe standard, is not the truth. E-Repairs, Fly, and any other feature that may be used while farming can be used for a lot more things than just farming, that $160 allows you to firstly FLY, which allows everything on EcoCityCraft to be much easier. It also allows you to have powertool, change the time of day apparent to you, gives you the /stack command, and do erepairs for other users which can make you a hefty sum of cash. Melons were only lowered in price because too much money was being generated through people farming melons. Now that they have been lowered, pumpkins now make more money despite costing /many/ times less than melons to start effectively farming. Just because pumpkin require the fly feature in order to maximize the amount of money you can make does mean that the crop should make more. At the end of the day, a melon sword was put here to be an exclusive tool for the rich to make more money than the other main methods of farming, at a hefty cost too, while you only need maybe $15,000 to start effectively make 12k an hour or so. All you need is $7,000 for a eff5 unb3 axe and some farms sell perms to 200*200*x farms for less than $7,500. What I propose is that yes, pumpkins should be lower in price again. At $0.60 they allegedly make $17776.80/hour if you farm with perfect technique and no breaks. $0.50 allows them to make $14814/hour, which I think is acceptable, allowing them to make only $1700/hour less than melons, which requires a tool that costs 30 times or more to purchase.
Yes it actually has affected it. Since the biggest product of nether stars is melon sword it all goes down to the profit of the melon sword. The melon sword dropped price because of the melon farming profit is less then pumpkin making it less for the melon sword. So this is the chain: Melon decrease Melon sword decrease/Main Product Nether star drop. Your opinion still has made it even worse and andrewkm should make something to turn the tables. But its not just voting that has changed it I actually find that melon swords have set the price and that a nether star is worth 1oooth of the current melon sword price. Thats just my 3 cents.
It's something that was going to happen for sure, and yes, everyone freaked out, but nstars dropping in price will eventually raise demand again, although, this may take time. Buying features for real money or earlier in time when the user-price was still lower should not affect the CURRENT price. The current price should be based on current times, right now donation features are worth 5-6k/USD, that's what it is, and that's what we base prices on. As for the people who pay real money, they invested money into the server and should be rewarded accordingly. Also, the extra benefits outside of farming should not be taken into account when deciding on prices, because the benefits it gives to farming is what matters. A lot of people even buy those features SOLELY for farming. Also, e-repairs are practically out of the picture, I mainly put those in there because both ways of farming are dependent on it, but it's not vital to actually have the feature. Although pumpkin farming will reap more benefits from it than melonfarming. And you can also rent out your melonsword (although I don't recommend it) which is literally money without effort, you can't do that with a pumpkin axe. Pumpkin farming does not cost many times less, you REQUIRE fly to make actual profit out of it, and those people who ACTUALLY HAVE fly will reap the benefits, anyone without fly can only make as much as 10k an hour with speed potions, and even less when they don't have e-repair. Times change, not so long ago the pumpkin axe was a really exclusive tool, I remember having worked for a long time to get just one, right now it's an incredibly cheap and abundant tool. Melonswords are going down the same path, only they have a bottom limit (200k) While melonswords may have been like you said, right now it's at the same level as pumpkin axe + fly, which is You base this on the fact that we should not include donation features in the equation, this is silly, because donation features are the whole basis of making money. Despite the fact that people can buy them with real money, donation features are still worth a lot, especially fly, and fly is VITAL to pumpkin farming while it is completely unneeded for melonfarming. In the end the costs for both are almost equal, therefore we should leave these prices alone.
All of your points just say that fly is essential to making any money at all with pumpkins. When I used to farm pumpkins, I used Speed II potions, which last 1:30 and cost $5-10 to buy from other users, a measly $200-400/hour. With these potions, I calculated over a 30 minute time period that I made right around $8500, just a tad more and I am sure that I did not farm perfectly. If you evaluate fly as $360,000 which it seems you are dead-set on, you would be paying less for fly for 900-1800 hours as the potion cost would not reach the cost of fly. This time period is enough time to make 16-32 million dollars, and you can't tell me that anyone has made that much off of farming. 100% proof that you do not need fly to farm pumpkins, which is a silly notion anyways since I could argue you could make more money farming melons with fly too..
OMG Ok you have won argument. No argument can beat dat. People think fly is necessary. I made at least 14k - 16k an hour without fly just running and eating. Sigh
