Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I'd like to comment that, while I find the use of the term "scamming" to be somewhat understandable here, I think it's pretty counterproductive and implies a level of malice that I don't see any evidence for. That being said, I think we could agree that continuing to call the conditional lease of property by mayors a "sale" is disingenuous at best. I think that either our behavior needs to change, or the server rules need to change.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre @welikeike22 , you are referring to inactive players or players that break rules or disrespect other residents of the town. I have no problem with evicting these players and rules say you can. If you read the whole thread, this topic is talking about mayors removing residents for the sole reason of doing a clean sweep of the town. These are innocent residents that entered into a written agreement where they paid for a plot only to have it taken away "because the mayor feels like it". They have not broken rules, they have not disrespected the mayor or other residents. Hypothetical Example: - I purchase a 10x10 plot off Neslonlim for $1000 and take a screenshot (with no time limit imposed). - 2 months later Nelsonlim decides he wants to do a world edit of the town as a clean-out and removes all residents with 2 weeks notice given on the forums. - I would request a full refund of the $1000 and a chance to remove any of my items. - if denied, I would post a "Scamming Complaint" as Nelsonlim has not upheld the agreement to provide the 10x10 plot in the location agreed upon. Wiki Quote Mayors / Presidents Mayors / Presidents have the right to form any building rules, living rules, and laws they would like with their town, as long as they do not interfere with any of our universal rules listed here on this wiki. We expect all Mayors and Presidents to have respect towards their residents unless some sort of role-playing is taking place. Scamming and taking advantage of those who live within your town is strictly prohibited and will be punished. If you are the victim of a Mayor/President scam you may submit a valid and proper complaint with proof in our forums Complaint Section. Mayors may remove anyone from their town for any reason. However, if they were not removed due for grief or failure to pay for their plot, the Mayor must give them a chance to retrieve their building materials and items from the town. this is a hardcore economy server. we discipline players that don't follow through with auctions/trades where proof is provided. as a moderator, I will expect all players to honor these plot sale agreements, refund in full or face discipline for their actions. if @andrewkm or supermods do not agree with this, i am happy to eat my waffles and stay out of it.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I don;t understand how people buy a plot then assume they have rights to that plot. I have no illusions that I have "rights" to the plot I bought in Campustown. I just trust in the mayors for the moment. This is why I figure I might as well buy a town plot and have it just for myself. Then I have all the rights to the land.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Well maybe we should all just say "leasing land" instead of "selling plots", even though i think the mean the same thing... I mean seriously, we have to work really hard to earn the money for towns so we should get to do what we want with them as long as it abides by the server rules.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre as ike said WRONG This is not scamming, and is in our full rights to remove any player at any time for any reason. That is a direct quote from the wiki about how it is legal for me to remove anyone for any reason as long as I give them some sort of time to remove their items.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I'm not arguing that you get to do what ever you want with your town as being the mayor of the town. It is not your right as mayor to remove any player for any reason where a trade took place for the sale of the plot because this contradicts the "scamming" rule where trading is protected. It specifically says in the mayor rules that any rules enforced in the town can not go against the general server rules (I highlighted it in blue). It was your choice as mayor to divide the town into multiple plots. It was your choice to enter into multiple trade agreements where you provide a specific plot in exchange for $$$. It is your responsibility to maintain your end of the trade agreement by providing the specified plot. It is the residents responsibility to abide by the rules of the server and the rules of the town. If the resident breaks their responsibility, you have every right to remove their permissions and terminate the trade. If you as mayor do not maintain the availability of the plot then you have broken your end if the agreement. I personally would not sell any plots in my towns without a specific time frame in the agreement. I would rent plots on a monthly basis. I'm happy to keep debating this topic once someone can provide me with a reason why these trades (plot for $$$) can be cancelled on the resident when they maintained their side of the agreement.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Let's put it this way. There is a reason, a huge one, that when I make a "town" the only person who is going to be allowed to lock anything on it, is me. If you're using someone Else's town you're at best a tenant, do not be shocked to be evicted.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre let me put as simple as I can... if you enter into a trade where you provide a plot of your land (without a defined timeframe) in exchange for $$$ or items/service, you must maintain your part of the trade unless the other party breaks the agreement. if you break your part of the agreement, that is "scamming".
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Can you provide proof, via complaints filed and solved, where people removing others from their town because they wish to re-start their town, were classified as "Scammers" by supermods/game-admins/Andrewkm and forced to refund/reimburses these residents? As far as i can remember, in over a year and five months, that has never happened. Therefore, in-turn, its not "scamming". The whole argument here is the fact that the rule --clearly states-- what mayors can and cannot do, no matter how "vague" you wish to interpret it. I am allowed to remove users for --whatever reason i wish--, as should be my right, and unless they griefed/broke a serious rule, they will be allowed to remove their things in a timely manor before being evicted from the land they lease from the owner of the town. You do not have to maintain a "Part of the trade" because the rules clearly outline the rights of a town mayor and should be deemed as a warning to town residents. Like I continue to keep saying, If town transfers aren't protected, then why, Laff80, would plots be protected when they're on such a massive scale when compared to town transfers? As you eloquently stated, This is a hardcore economy server. In a real-life economy(which mind you is what we are shooting at obtaining here), Government can take away your land for any reason they wish. Don't be fooled into thinking you own the land, you don't. You pay dozens of various taxes, you pay a mortgage for the house you put atop the land, and even after all that the Government can come in and declare "Imminent Domain", and take it all away. While some may not like it, in my opinion its called "Progress". In most cities, if you don't cut your grass for months, you'll receive a warning from your town. If you ignore it, you are fined and people come in to cut that grass for you. If you continue to ignore it, the town can file a court-case and have the bank foreclose on your home. Real-Life economies also have Bankruptcies, War, Depressions, War, Stock-Market Tumbles, Shifts in economic power, Etcetra. Whilst we don't have these, taking away this key part will make our economy less "hardcore".
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Because unless there is proof that you have "bought" the town from them there was no official transaction. Plots are the same, no proof no transaction ever happened.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Nope. See Here. Plots are just a version of this on a much smaller level. And i shall quote, for those too lazy to click and read; Mayors are the original owner of the land, No matter what way you chose to construed it.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Oh sorry didn't see that part, I think I need to re read the rules
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Is it right though? I've seen a post or two about Mayors getting their position by hard work and earning their money, but isn't that what the Residents and Builders do when they rent/buy plots from Mayors? If you're evicting the members of your city, you're basically making them lose money (the money they paid to buy the plot), lose a steady income (any and all farms that they had in their plot of land will be lost since you kicked them out), and lose on opportunity cost (they then have to search for a new plot of land from a trustworthy Mayor that wont kick them out without compensation, then take the time to rebuild their farms, losing out on much more potential money by wasting that time). It makes it a lot harder for those Residents and Builders that are unable to find a city that wont kick them out. If they build massive farms in the wild, they'll end up griefed, and the whole process is highly discouraging, thus driving people away from the server.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre My arguement WHAT IF somone bends the rules and doesn't TECHNICALLY break any of your rules but does stuff just to annoy you? Are you suggesting that if they didn't break any of the rules stated during/before the transaction we would required to let them stay or give them back their money? WHAT IF somone griefs another town but doesn't get banned. He/She has not broken any rules in YOUR town because there isn't a rule against griefing in OTHER towns. Are you saying that we let them stay or give them back their money because they TECHNICALLY never broke any rules? WHAT IF the player got on your bad side and you didn't want him in your town anymore because he was annoying you. Are you wanting so we can't remove a user because they are annoying you or we would have to give money back? WHAT IF the owner sells the town to someone that wants to just make it into a a pumpkin farm ETC. And evicts everyone. Would the previous owner have to pay all of the people back just ecause the CURRENT owner wants it different? Or will the user that never wanted the people there in the first place have to pay all the people back? As stated IN THE RULES. No mayor is REQUIRED to give back money if they evict a user for ANY reason whether stated or unwritten.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I don`t really have to worry about residents complaining about me removing them because when I bought this town 98% of people we completely inactive for AT LEAST 1 month and some were even inactive for 6 months+ but now most of the inactive buildings have been torn down and the users who were active like zwunder(only active person besides szlky who I think I mailed but he hasnt mailed me back) ALSO if the mayor wants to make the town a farm all they really need to do is post an eviction notice for 7 days or more and then they have the right to remove all users I believe. Also the can just put it high up in the air OR just put it underground.... easy as that
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Uhhhh zwunder? I agree with the things you said but if theyre banned well..... They cant exactly remove their stuff xD
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre Yes, if they are banned it is a different story I am just quoting the rules for active players.
Re: Mayors kicking all residents from towns. This a bad tre I was one of the mayors who restarted town after asking Tkick what was aloud i did it which meant i could remove everyone after warning on forums active or not. That is the rules it wont be changed mayor can do that if you don't want to be removed choose a town with a mayor you trust.
