@Tdogg120 is right that LWC removals aren't about "getting the stuff," they're about clearing the space. And @a18greek18 is right that people are horribly over-reacting to him on this thread. I apologize if I contributed to that -- when I made my comment above, it was because I think that what he did is not that big a deal, regardless of why. If someone watches the threads and beats me to a popped LWC in my towns, I really don't lose any sleep over it. Besides, once you get going with a town, the "work" of filing an LWC is mostly the work of "cutting and pasting your last LWC for that town, then changing the coordinates." It's not like it's some heavy burden for which a player needs to be rewarded. The "reward," if you need one, is that you get to sell the plot again. What more do you need as a financial incentive?
@Tdogg120 For the record: I did not place the LWC removal request "solely for getting the contents of the chests". I did it because they were in my way as I was trying to rebuild towns. I appreciate and thank the mods for removing them. Sincerely! My towns and buildings can now be restored. It goes without saying that items of chests should first go to the true and original owner of the chest. But assuming that route has been exhausted or is not possible, I think the owner of the town should have a chance to get the items out of the chest first (for reasons others have written above) OR if not the mods should DESTROY all contents of the chests so LWC skimmers cannot just take them. As others have written, this LWC behavior is not in the spirit of this server and I agree with them... not you. I am sorry you think that what a18greek18 did was totally fine (and I agree by the rules it is legal). We will forever disagree on this being "fine" however. I do think this behavior is destructive to the server. If you don't think so we can disagree on that too. But my point is if people think this is ok then they shouldn't complain when someone does something unethical but legal to them or when people quit this server because they have been legally scammed or otherwise ripped off. a18greek18 thinks people are blowing this out of proportion? How so? It turns out he has done this to at least one other person I know about ( Raccooy) and I suspect others. The facts were stated. People are expressing their opinions. He took a bunch of stuff from chests in my towns -- Legally but I (and some others) would say unethically. He has tried to minimize this and spin it from the beginning. I am sure he wants this all to just go away. Most people who do things like this would..... He thinks we should just ignore his behavior. Sorry but he is on ignore and I never want anything to do with him again. He has made an enemy of me and that is forever. But yes enough already.... My point here has been made and it is time to move on. One silver lining of this episode is I see who I want to play with... and who I don't. I will not quit the server because I think it's heartless or whatever. There are too many cool people here and it is too much fun. I won't let the actions of a few ruin it for me. And I will express my opinions and try to make this a better server and community for all. I will not play "victim" either. I am moving on and this is my last post on this. I have the following simple suggestions (in order of what I think is most preferable)-- any of which could help fix this (again this assumes it is not possible to get the items back to the owner of the chest): 1) Make a rule that nonmembers of towns can not enter them and remove items for at least 24 hours following an LWC removal. Players breaking this rule should be considered illegal griefers. or 2) Mods could give a /pm in game or private message to the town owner on forums that they removed the locks or give an approximate time when the locks will be removed. Instead of listing it on the forums for everyone to read. or 3) Mods should destroy all items in chests upon LWC removal, or 4) LWC removal should no longer be offered as a service to players. If you don't agree with me, then at least understand that I am expressing my opinion and trying to make this a better server/community. The mods are trying to help out on this. It is extra work for them. Once again -- thank you Mods!
As i said, Thats the best way to do it, And if the mods check the door and make sure that it has the person on the chest on the door, then there isnt a problem. I dont see a problem with it, and as Charger said, we can also use /thru to get inside if they are not on the door. But chances are, add the smods and then it'll be fine.
Soo... you feel it is alright if somebody trespasses without permission in your town and takes items from your land without asking, but it is considered stealing the original owners items if you do the lwc and follow the server rules? Sleep on that tonight and maybe you will be a little bit more enlightened in the morning.
I don't understand why people complain about items getting stolen from LWC removals. They are not your items to begin with. Why get mad if items that aren't yours get stolen. Items left in unlocked chests or on the ground are fair game, no matter their location. Boom there. @a18greek18 was NOT in the wrong. Yes, the action is frowned upon, but so is greifing in the wild, that still happens and I don't hear anyone whining about that. As Gernen says here, they would NOT accept LWC removal requests if your sole purpose is to take the items for your own benefit. For me when I do LWC removals I put the chest(s), "are in the way", "resale of plot" or "User has been evicted/banned". I know when I file LWC removals, I move the items in the chest to a storage house, add the owner to the new chests, notify them via /mail that they can find their items there, then after 7 days I put items in a "free" chest, keep items like stone/dirt, then either /sell hand them or offer items in my shop(s). Also, how is it destructive to the community? YOU filed the LWC to TAKE the players items. So now you're going to blame @a18greek18 for being destructive to the ECC community by doing something you already planned on doing? What kind of logic is that? If you're so worried about other people's items being taken away from YOU. Then get a Use: Deny flag. This is my point write here. As Tdogg said, you're being selfish and greedy if you file a LWC Removal purely for the items. I really have no remorse for you whatsoever. The why the hell are you complaining about items being stolen? I personally believe people are blowing this situation out of the water. I don't think that this is such a big deal. I do think that maybe stealing items out of recently LWCd chests may be a little wrong for trying to prove a point. Like murdering people to get the cops more alert about killers. IDK, that's just what I think.
Was a18 told not to enter the town in the past? No. Lol. If he was, that would be a different story. Not my problem people try to be greedy with lwc removals
Also, unlocked chests are fair game. Remember that. To make what a18 did illegal, you would contradict at least 3 other rules. Like n00bish said, if you're doing LWC'S for the loot and then start b*tching when someone takes it, I do not have one bit of remorse for your whiney a$$.
I know the rules and abide by them. I do not file for the loot and a look at any of my towns where I have done lwc's will show that I clean up my land, and my a$$ has never whined about it. My point you seem to not get is that you stated the lwc removal was "not steal the original owners' items." to the owner of the town that filed the legal lwc's. So you feel that the owner wanting the items is stealing, but someone not even an owner or member of a town is not stealing when they come get the items?
The answer is that once the LWC removal is acted upon by staff, no one taking an item or items out of that chest is stealing. Period. So say the rules, because it's simply an unlocked chest, and therefore fair game under server rules. While this has been an interesting discussion, I do think people need to lighten up a bit. On a totally unrelated note, I recently toggled all the use flags in all my towns to "deny." TOTAL coincidence.
build an house around the chest/chest with an locked door. so once they are unlocked by staff players can not enter the house and open the chest?
This is not allowed per the rules (unless the door lock is modified per Missions post) - access must be granted to the owner of the locks in the event of their return. Mission has a solution above in this thread on page 1. It is simple and effective.
if you file an lwc and the chest is inside an building. dont see were that is not allowed? once the lock is gone the chest is free to take no matter if the owner comes back. usally that is why players file lwc's to get rid of locked block's. this is written in the rules(was not there last i filed an lwc ages ago): You may not block access to any locked belongings of the evicted user at any time. Staff will deny all requests in which the LWCs have been blocked in an attempt to protect items. so have an house and locked door with access by you and the player who have locks on the chest? do not see that that will not be allowed?
