Hello. If none of you know me... well, I'm just a guy who cares about the general welfare of a server he used to enjoy. Before you throw me out a window saying that I don't know what I'm talking about or am totally clueless... let's get one thing straight. I've been playing this server since Minecraft 1.2.5. I've been playing multiplayer a whole ton longer than I've played singleplayer. I have also played many different servers, but have always been attracted to this one in particular. The community is great, the staff are great.
As some say, I have been around the block a few times.
Lately, I've seen many things wrong with how things are working nowadays. Don't know how or why the system has been degrading over the course of the past few months, but I certainly don't like it. I bet a lot of you ladies and gents don't like it either. Some of the main things that have really been bugging away at me; publicity, handling of the forums, the Handling of the Complaint section, and quite simply the users that continuously are allowed to come back. Now these issues are certainly eating away at many people, and it's about time somebody addressed their opinion.
Publicity
I feel as though the server administration has not been open enough with us; the community. Yes, small surprises can be concealed, but things that the server population needs to know can't be withheld. From what I have gathered, this secrecy has given trolls a reason to be trolls. It allows people to join some sort of cult of anarchy. It's simply disorderly.
I give this challenge to the administration. Start doing weekly updates. Make a whole board dedicated to updating the server on what's going on. What's the deal. Sure, we don't need to know about the finances and jazz. But weekly updates would include upcoming planned events or some what some people have been doing recently. Maybe how the next update is coming along. Heck, you could get people to pay for exerts in the newspaper, allowing them to do some advertisements or whatnot.
Keeping the public in the dark doesn't help us out much. It causes unrest. With unrest comes rumors, people claiming doomsday is here. We don't need that.
Handling of Complaint Section
Let me start off with the handling of the complaint section of the forums. Obviously, there is something seriously wrong with all this. Four, five months ago, there was absolutely something drastically different about the complaint section of the forums. The staff didn't need to post as often on how people should not post on the forums if they have nothing relevant to add. This is total garbage. And then when somebody does get out of line, the staff would rectify the problem sternly and with force. I surely was actually intimidated by staff back then. Why the heck are these people still allowed to do this stuff? Why are you still letting users do this? It's unbelievable! Obviously the punishment system is not enough! And if you need some evidence here;
Five months ago;
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-gtrenegade15.99654/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-gtrenegade15.99655/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-gtrenegade15.99656/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-xgajx.99708/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/ban-appeal.99651/
Now;
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/complaint.115032/page-2#post-620911
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint.115697/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-parkourkid96.115154/#post-617639
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-mrcooltrey.115969/
Unacceptable. Don't know why there hasn't been an example out there yet. I have found within my studies that once you make an example out of somebody, it wouldn't happen again. What was the point of the gallows? To publicly display that if you defy the laws of the land and government, death and pain surely will come.
Before I get to my next point, I would like to add a corollary to this. The staff team are allowing other users to mini mod the forums and correct other people's errors on complaints. No. That is not their job, that is the staff team's job. If you want to be the one to tell somebody what they did wrong or right, apply for staff. I don't care if you have some valuable insight or have suddenly seen a strange thing in the hacking complaint. It isn't your job. By letting other users do a staff member's job, it can lead to misinterpretations and confusion. You don't see some guy go to the neighbors yard and tell them that they're violating the laws and take them into custody. No! You call the police, let them in on the case, and leave it for the law to decide.
Lenient Punishment
Lately, more and more people have been doing actions so ridiculous, that I don't understand why they haven't been banned yet. Permanently banned for that matter. It doesn't make sense at all! Why the heck are we allowing terrifying trolls and scammers back on this server? What is the appeal to that? Those repeat offenders need to get off the dang server; it's only ruining the experience for the newer players. Often I've heard users ask why we don't have as many players on anymore. It's these low life scammers and trolls that keep us from growing. I don't care if they've donated zero dollars or two thousand dollars; if they are trolling they need to be banned for a long period of time. Yes, we need dedicated players. What we don't need is dedicated trolls and scammers.
Now, several days ago I saw something incredibly awe inspiring. Two users (un-named of course) were obviously being ridiculous trolls and just being incredibly obnoxious. They started pelting the shout box with lots of degrading things and sorts. Well, andrewkm came in and whipped their butts. He came in sly and cool and told them to stop doing what they were doing. On top of that, he made them get banned for a longer period of time that would let them think about what they've done. Actions like these are what keep a server in great shape. High discipline gives room for a lot more community bonding and fun.
Forum Handling in General
After quitting Minecraft, I had started to play another game. This one is mainly comprised of mature adults, or children who are actually mature. There were two reasons for this. One being that the game has an incredibly hard learning curve, and the forums were handled incredibly well. I read the rules on that forum and here's a brief exert from it;
Sounds pretty simple right? Well that's because... it is! The owner of this had posted what he wanted and didn't want, and took actions accordingly. Now when I took a look at the monthly banned users, it wasn't large. But the users who did get banned, had a swift one. Because of this, there are absolutely no trolls at all. Heck, now and then we debate about politics and the like. Yes, it's in the rules not to, but there is a special forum for that thing. I even had to give advice to a person who had a cat who wasn't feeling well. She was debating to put her down. It's rules like these that keep the community mature and kind. There's one guy who has incredibly bad grammar... we don't pester him about it. We answer his questions and move on.
- Do not pick a fight or insult another poster. Do not continue a fight if you feel you have been insulted. Report it to the moderator. If you instead respond in kind, you run the risk of being considered part of the problem.
- Despite its prevalence on the internet, bigoted language is frowned upon here. Do not go there.
- Do not disrupt a thread with spam, giant images or intentionally garbled language. Screenshots and so on that make sense in context are also allowed, but image spam is not allowed. Forum games may use giant images but only in the spirit of the game as defined by the OP.
- If the creator of a thread gives appropriate additional guidelines for an individual thread, please try to respect them. Threads often drift away from their opening themes here, and there isn't a strong sense of thread "ownership", so there's a gray area, but if a thread has been designed for a specific purpose, please try to adhere to that, especially if the creator urges you to do so. Do not derail threads.
- If you post links to illegal material (files that are being illegally distributed, ie unsanctioned commercial game/music torrents/downloads, etc.) or post illegal images (or images that would have been behind 18+ warnings, etc.), you will be banned. Don't ask for links or otherwise ask to be directed to places where you can download/obtain things like that either, even if the situation is somewhat more lax in your locality.
On here... not so much. There's always those trolls who'll write down anything to make somebody get ticked off. Or somebody will be incredibly disrespectful to somebody and create a huge ordeal. It's absolutely terrible. If we had rules and discipline like the forum above, we wouldn't have such big problems. Yes, there actually are mature people on the internet. Sadly, we don't have too many.
Conclusion
I hope after reading all of the points I have made that you have learned something. You, the reader, need to help get this place back in shape. I absolutely sick and tired of all this nonsense. And I know that I'm not alone.
Obviously I care about this server. I'm not some anarchist or troll trying to get people into an evil uproar. No. I just spent two hours writing this. I've spent a few weeks thinking and formulating what I might say. I have wasted much oxygen and life span to type this. Currently I'm ready to go and eat something... I'm hungry.
Don't tell me this garbage hasn't been happening. I've been watching it for the past few months. Sometimes in disbelieve and utter humiliation. Don't deny what you see as something else. It is what it is. Going along pretending everything is skippy well is certainly not what got this server to stay up and running for so long. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
Thank you for taking the time and reading this whole entire thing. I'll be quite surprised to see how much of this gets censored and debated upon. No matter how much gets edited, the right people will see what needs to be seen.
Dragon out.
TL : DR - Listen, if you spend eight hours a day numbly holding a melon sword or endlessly slaying new players without emotion, you can lighten your days with this. Read it.
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I agree, a big issue I see is trolling. If someone is too stupid to stop posting irrelevantly after many forum and mod warnings then they shouldn't be allowed on the server until they can get some common sense. After a couple warnings, it is not an "accident" posting irrelevantly. It's them purposely doing it to tick everyone else off.
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Jess_T_Jericho BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
Thats why we ignore trolls or make fun of them. But I do see builders/residents troll more then anyone. I do see other ranks troll but they do it just for teh jokes.
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I remember seeing somewhere that part of the reason for the tolerance is that we want to encourage new users to mature with the server, however, lately it seems that this attitude has been taken extreme advantage of by those that just refuse to grow up and instead do everything in their power to disrupt and annoy. It is frustrating to see users that have caused so much heartache being given a chance to do it all over again ... and again ... and again.
I do not envy the owners and staff trying to balance keeping players that are loyal to the server and play well with those they hope will become great players. I have been a loyal member of ECC, however, even my high threshold level of tolerance is being tested to the extreme here lately.
Another disturbing ... or interesting depending on how you look at it ... the banned or rage quitters from here that then get banned elsewhere suddenly decide this server is not so bad anymore and beg to come back.-
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My thought is that if someone does not want to play nice here, just troll, scam, or annoy then find somewhere else to go - they are really not welcome here anymore - imho.-
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Wow....I'm inspired now to make a small, interesting newspaper about ECC. :p Just wow, dr_dragon. Amazing , I agree with everything you've said! :) +100
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Dr_Dragon_Slayer BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
Oh I would like to add that later on I shall draft up a format for the newsletter, if it isn't made. I'm always here to help in times of need.
But we don't need a player count. Not if it's full of trolls and whatnot. I'd rather have a fifty people population than a two hundred player population with one troll inside. That's just me. -
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I think a weekly update would be a fantastic idea. I have played on servers that even host events every weekend and I find that incredibly engaging and attractive.
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There already is a few people who were doing a newspaper if i remember rightly.
Also, I don't understand what is wrong with the 4 complaints you posted? All of them have people being warned and posts removed....so i dont know why they have not been dealt with accordingly...
Just because we do not delete people's posts that have been warned, doesn't mean we haven't warned them....everyone seems to assume things and I am getting tired of it.
The trolls are being sussed out and will be dealt with swifter then the other person who is trying to help.
Everyone seems to feel the need to tell the administration how to run the server, I know you guys are the player and without you, there wouldn't be a ECC, but we are also doing the job we are suppose to do, you may not like it, but thats the way it is currently as we grow and find out what works and doesn't
Back in the day, things were run differently, and yet things didn't turn out so well anyway? And no, it doesnt matter what the reason was, it matters that it went wrong, So its easy saying 5 months ago was better and before was great, but I don't recall seeing no scammers and no trollers and a player-wide peaceful server back then either...
Im not saying right now is perfect, I would love to treat trollers a different way, and have my own opinions on SG, scamming, contracts, LWC's the list goes on lol, but right now i will do my job the way i am suppose to and what the rules state and I will keep saying my peace when I feel it is needed. Im not going to get anywhere moaning every other day, Im just as big a fan as any of your are on this server, things do need changing, but its not like their hasn't been any change over the last 5 months, its not like the staff are just chilling out hanging around, especially the GA+'s, they are running full speed all the time, fixing bugs, making events, changing/adding/fixing new features, on top of the new hub and their day to day duties on the forum. Then throw in talking about suggestions, which isn't just saying good idea/bad ideas, looking at how to improve the ideas, for's and against's, looking at it from others points of views and not just from the interest of their point of view. Suddenly I just mentioned like 10+ things.
Just remember, Phys has only been Forum Owner since when (25th September), thats not even 4 months...
TL:DR - Things are changing and are on the up, some things you may like and dislike, but that is life, and things are constantly changing and in motion, but come on...its not like some of the issues have just popped up since Sept 2014, you gotta give people a break sometimes, we're working our butts off here...-
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Dr_Dragon_Slayer BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
Assuming things?! We have to assume things because we don't get any information at all! They need to be publicly warned so the masses know not to do something! When you want to tell everyone that something is bad, do you just do it in secret or in front of the whole population? If you're thinking smartly and logically, you'll side with the latter. I'm getting tired and weary of seeing these people repeating what they're doing. Obviously they don't see enough of a consequence, or just don't see that people get warned.
Yes, I feel the need to tell the administration how to run the server. Why? Because in my opinion, and I think many others, the way it's being run currently isn't right. Obviously if this many people have been asking for change, and it hasn't happened yet, then there's a problem. Even if the administration could give us a more detailed report instead of some cryptic vague response.
To me, I don't see much change. If things are going at such a rapid pace, we should be informed every step of the way. Tell me how not informing us would be a problem. Yes, the administration has been active, but it would be great if the community were informed each step of the way.
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I am a new member, and IDC if you think I should have an opinion or not, I do. Great post and arguments. The same thing that seriously buggers me is the lack of information on what is coming up or what is being done. As you said, there is a group who knows things, that creates a serious vertical hierarchy line and it allows for the 'daddy knows best' mentality to grow.
While this community, or server, is generally helpful and I like the people here, there are obviously some guys who think rules are not for them. It pisses me off to see how staff and some members work to grow the community together, while some very specific members just piss on the whole thing and think rules are not for them. And the fact that they are like what, 14-17 makes it even worse. They have no clue how things actually work, and they should be given a lesson. I am already tired of seeing the lack of esteem by some members here.
Take my newb post for whatever it is, but it is truth!
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Dr_Dragon_Slayer BuilderBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️
Here's a great example;
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-kick_me_1235.116345/
How do I know these people who posted irrelevant comments are doing something bad? No staff corrects them publicly, so now I am mislead to believe that it is okay to post such things. This is not good. Just furthers what I said before.