[Help!] Nether Stars may soon completely leave voting.

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  1. LJKAzrael

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    +1 I would prefer this to glitchy vote sites now, but I understand their purpose.
     
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    Let's take a look here.

    Farming: Lets say cocoa beans. 8k/hr. And exactly how will builders be able to farm? By Spending money to buy perms. (~3-5k?) This is not exactly the best idea when you're just trying to get 1.5k to buy a plot.

    Mining: Try and see how much you make with a unenchanted diamond pickaxe. You need to spend at least an hour to get 1.5k. The builder will definitely quit before then.

    SG: You need ~2 wins to get $1500. Let's also take a look at the big list of teamers there are. Builders stand no chance in SG, and SG is probably the best way to get fast money for them.

    So I don't think you intended any [/sarcasm] :p
     
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    When I was a builder I voted every day for just $100 and 16 porkchops. I wouldn't be surprised if other builders are as desperate as I was, especially since they make 30x as much as I did back in the day.

    No it's not the only way, but it is extremely helpful for builders to get at least a set of usable non-stone tools, armor, food, and a plot somewhere.
     
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    +1 on the kit idea
     
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    I'm sorry but your point on sg is completely invalid. I spent a good hour today without a team and no bought kits and made 10k, it's entirely possible to win against teamers
     
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    Here's the comment I was replying to, I highlighted the part it seems you overlooked:
    Again, I think this would be a wonderful way to troll mojang's petty requirements, I just wanted to point out that we should have ready a backup plan in case of being blacklisted, and we should have it planned before taking any action against eula.
    On the other hand, I have read some ideas to incentivize people to vote being eula complaint, so maybe we don't need to take such a drastic approach
     
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    How afking doing more for the community then people logging in, doing a command and logging off?

    If anything at least everyone online will actually see your message when you pm them...

    You say well at least player count will look high...its a misleading figure, as half of them arent even interacting with whats going on...

    Anyways,
    12 hour kit is the logical solution and is pretty fair.

    I like the nether idea but will kill a main source of income for starting builders and also residents.
     
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    Full dislike this idea as it puts Staff at a disadvantage... I can't AFK farm :p
     
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    Get 2 nstars a day simple as that
     
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    Too low and prices will raise too high.
     
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    Not rly about what 1/3 ppl vote daily? Now we balance that out by giving everyone 2 nstars from a kit
     
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    As a town owner, I know for a fact that builders rely on voting heavily. It's essentially the only reason how they're able to afford a plot. Builders need voting to help them start up.

    Mining yields very little money until they can afford a decent pickaxe.

    Farming commonly requires you to purchase perms to begin with.

    And for many, SG simply isn't something they're good at.

    Your suggestion is extremely flawed - people will go AFK and if I were a new player, I certainly wouldn't be grinding for hours just to afford a plot. I'd have just started playing and wouldn't have decided if I liked it or not.

    I personally like the kit suggestion or the login rewards.
     
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    It would probably be a good idea to keep obtaining nether stars as close to the way you get them voting as possible. When voting, you log onto a site, type in your name, and then log into the server... boom, you get them. With the /kit nstar idea, it's basically the same steps, it's just not your name you're typing in and you're already on the server. I liked the suggested time of 3 every 12 hours. This seems very close to what it was when voting. I feel this is the best way to go!

    I do like Nicit's idea about adding the wither back to the nether. I think it was suggested before, so obviously some people are in support of this suggestion, but it shouldn't be the only way to obtain nstars. Maybe doing this along with the /kit idea will make up for the lucky, mega lucky, etc that we now won't have. Obviously people who go to the nether to get nstars will have to have some luck on their side cause if it's anything like ghasts and their tears... they always drop in the lava before I can grab them. xD

    As for Video's idea. It's not a bad one, but I don't agree with the opinion about "who cares if they nstar farm". I would think you would care being staff here. Just afk farming nstars is like auto farming or using an auto hack. Plus it would break the economy... which is why the before mentioned are illegal here. With that being said, I would care. However, I do know there is a plugin out there that pays players X amount of money every X amount of time and if the player is not moving, it does not count that time. It's not a custom plugin, it's out there for everyone to use and set it up how they would like. I'm not sure if you can set it up to give out nstars, but I don't see why you can't. I also don't know if things like auto fishing or any other hacks that keep you moving is a way to 'afk' and get around it. Just mentioning as food for thought even though I think the /kit and wither are both a better option. :)
     
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    Nah, just set up a npc at spawn, you get a daily reward thru it.
    Like what a server that begins with an m does.
     
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    "npc"? I only know Non Playable Character, but it doesn't make any sense
     
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    That is what an npc is yes, what he suggested is basically a custom coded villager or something to give you the nstars on a daily cooldown.

    As for this, earning things through just being online is different from auto farming in the sense that just being online for x hours to earn a small handful of nstars every y hours is no where as detrimental as actively running a mod or programme to auto-farm or auto-fish.
    It requires a lot of investigation to find the people that have really complex scripts and programmes that allow them to auto-farm/fish, in the past these people generated hundreds of thousands of ECD and into the millions before they were finally caught and banned. Whereas finding someone who is just afking for stars is a fairly simple log check, and it doesn't take a lot to notice that someone is always online, you can see that as a normal player with /seen.
    As well as the fact that you simply would make more actively playing the game than you could afking for nstars, currently you don't even have to log in to make money you just vote and log in whenever you want and collect all of the stars you got for voting for.
     
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    Then what's the difference from a /kit, above cosmetics?
     
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    I don't think NPC will have good or bad impact, it's a simply graphical version of it.

    Though would it be good to give a first-time kit for players to give 5 netherstars? New player usually need these amount to get a plot and some funds, other claim would then simply give a netherstars every × hours.
     
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    Personally, I vote to help support our server and to let others know about it. While I do appreciate the nStar rewards, they are not the only reason I vote.
    I like the kit idea so far. Whatever is decided by andrew, I commit to voting just as I do now (even with no reward) if that is needed.
     
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    One is relatively easy to do and the other isn't.
     
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