No I just enjoy configuring PC to people's budget.. I would love to just build PC's without having to trouble shoot them.. LOL... I enjoy the hardware aspect of it all. From the uber efficient to the over the top...
Hey man thanks for all the work I really appreciate it. Honestly 1500 was just a mark but I can make a bit over. I have a monitor and accessories so yeah the box is just all I need. I'd prefer a 3770k just seeing how the benchmarks will work for 2k gaming res if I wanted to upgrade. But other than that the build is great. Have you considered the wattage of the power supply for the system size. Why did you pick that mother board? Would you recommend 16gb ram for gaming? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
16 GB really isnt necessary for a computer gaming wise, but if you are gonna be using applications that include rendering objects/video then you should go with the 16gb. Also for the 3770K, youre obviously gonna get some better performance out of it, but again it is not really needed for gaming unless you are gonna be using more heavy applications like the examples I gave with the RAM. The 3770K really only has the advantage of hyperthreading over the 3570k.
So I prefer the Asus Sabertooth (that's what I'm using) motherboard but I have 2 PC that also use ASRock boards and have built a few for friends and for the money you can't beat them.The difference between the 3770K and the 3570K in gaming are 1-3% at most. (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_3570K_and_i7_3770K_Comparison/8.html) The video card will give you the best boost. The GTX 770 card is basically a tweaked GTX 680. The wattage of the system is approx 415 watts.. so you want to keep the power in the 50% range for best efficiency. You will never use 16GB of memory unless you do a lot of Photoshop filters and video editing but even then I argue that we are following the wrong path for that type of machine. If you are wanting to possible get a 30" monitor in the future for 1600p gaming then a GTX 770+ is a must. If you are wanting multi monitor (AMD Eyefinity or NVIDIA Surround) then dual GTX 770+ will be a must for crisp game-play. 4k is the next spec coming and you'll need GPU horsepower like GTX780 or Titan power. I would then argue if you are wanting these specs in the close future then your budget it way too small. If you are going to play at a 1200 or 1080 resolution (typical 24" monitor) then the setups I've provided are perfect. 2K resolution is an odd setup to go for 2048/1080 as these are newer monitors more situated for film viewing. (its a DLP Cinema Standard) The minimum I would consider for the multi monitor setup is 3 so your crosshairs are not in the middle of a bezel. Also it is my understanding that Eyefinity works better. And you need 3 identical monitors to boot. Now one GTX 770/780/Titan or ATI 7980/7990 can handle this load be it at a reduced graphic performance. Then trying to find small bezel monitors to be less distracting etc.... Any other questions I'd be happy to help with. liamfrench
Hyperthreading has no benefit in gaming workloads as most games do not scale beyond 4 threads. Hence most gaming benchmarks of the 3570K v 3770K are identical or within 1-3% which is considered statistically identical. Here is a Performance Per Dollar chart. As you can see the 3570k and 3770k are almost identical in graphs but you save in the dollar arena. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-6.html And here is this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-4.html Remember one could argue too that this chip is a better deal the Intel i5-3350p 3.1 ghz 4 core etc... now this is not a K version and cannot be overclocked.. You can raise the Turbo clock a bit so it Turbo's to 3.7 I believe and you can do a slight BCLK of 107 to gain a bit more but that potentially makes your system unstable. The difference my system is at 4.3 from 3.4 is not worth the potential headache.. It cool to say my PC runs at 4.3 but does it really do anything for me but maybe save 10 mins on a blu-ray encode that takes the length of the movie.. For me no.. The increase in heat is worse than the 10 mins i don't save. Don't get caught up in all the GHz mhz etc... Get what your budget can allow and realize you can save a buck or two if you do your research and due diligence.
Of course I agree I would like it to last for future gaming and work. I also would Derek about the closed circuit cooling. Is that cooling my gpu as well, hoe much harder is it to install? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
The Closed Loop Cooling devices such as the Corsair H100 H100i and H110 are all very easy to install. Just like a regular heatsink.. I am currently using the H100 120 x 240 the h110 is 140 x 280 so your case choice is paramount. liamfrench
Okay thanks! I appreciate it. I was going to attempt and purchase the parts online here in Texas while I'm here and then make it so I'll have it going back to Canada. Assuming you built your own, is there something you would rather commend when making a build like this? Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
That makes since then liamfrench. Just use my orgional post with the US newegg links.. You'll save a few bucks also. What do you mean by something you would rather commend???
With a $1500 budget I'd get this. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.98 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($140.91 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($134.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($425.91 @ Newegg) Case: Thermaltake Urban S41 ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1502.24 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-23 17:34 EDT-0400)
You can save $60 with a differnt case like the Corsair 200r and but I personaly like the Thermaltake Urban S41. I don't feel 16gb is necessary. (I Have 16gb in my current machine and I never see %50 usage) I have a friend that used the ASRock board like that and it was golden.. I have the Asus Sabertooth and it works just fine also but at a premium. But this the best of now and for $30 more you have Haswell based stuff and the newest of the new. You get about a 10% increase going from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. So in the end.. If I were building I'd most likely do below but with a i7-4770K, GTX 780, and Asus Z87 Sabertooth w/ 32GB memory. But that's me. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($134.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($425.91 @ Newegg) Case: Thermaltake Urban S41 ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1532.82 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-23 17:40 EDT-0400)
In assumption, you would probably be looking at close to $2000 with the build you would go with? And, how do you know if the power supply is large enough? - That has been one thing I've been concerned about. The rest seems great. Although, I would probably just spend an extra dollar here and there and go to 16gb memory, blueray writer and windows 8 [justbecause I'm used to it now]. The corsair, that is closed circuit correct?
Ok so you can figure power supply many ways but the 2 easiest are http://pcpartpicker.com tells you and you can also go to http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to get an idea. What I would do is different that what you would do or what Andrew would do etc... You have a budget and stick with it. Your Haswell Build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1jSuf - $1532 Your Ivy Bridge Build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1jSlH - $1502 What I would build today Haswell Build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1khqu - $2848 (some parts I have already) What I would like to build today Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge E http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1khGO - $5286 If you are set on the 3770K or the 4770K then fine. For a mid-range pc I would ignore the 3770/4770 processors as they offer no real benefit. I would also say if you want to push your budget to $2000 then we can change things a bit more. At the $1500 price point there is just a little bit of take from here to give here. But at $2000 you can gain alot. I still think either of the $1500 builds are killer for the amount of cash... In PC you buy the best you can with the given budget.. If you don't stick to that budget you will be unhappy one way or another... Also a Blu-Ray writer is about $84 just so you know... Let me know your musts and we'll get it finalized. And Windows 8 is cheaper than 7 Pro. We will always have I should of could of moments but I believe that the GPU is most important then CPU then Memory etc... You'll be happy.. The 3570K will OC to 4.4 - 4.5 without too much issues the 4670K will OC to 4.2 - 4.3 so in the grand scale they will be equal. Their is a reason why the 3570K is a better seller than the 3770K.. Price for performance.. The $100 difference doesn't add up.
So I think we have plenty of options to look at.. It's time to make some decisions as to preferences and likes or dislikes and see if we can find you a match as close to 100% as we can. I've made some additions and changes which has brought the price up a bit. 16GB memory, Windows 8, and Blu-Ray Writer added. Also the GTX 770 has 4GB of VRAM vs 2GB. SeaSonic PS or Corsair AX850 both killer power supplies. MSI motherboard just because it was reviewed well in the magazine and online. So let me know what you would like to switch out and what for etc.. Or if things look good as it is.. Also I'm surprised no one else has chimed in. I prob have hi-jacked the thread with all my BS... PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($134.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($485.91 @ Newegg) Case: Thermaltake Urban S41 ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($176.98 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($71.98 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1784.80 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-24 21:10 EDT-0400)
