First off let me say that you should not use this thread to flame other users based on their views. Nor should you use this thread to complain about how "unfair" anything is. This thread is not me trying to convince anyone to remove this feature, this thread is just to state the facts of both sides of the debate so people may form their opinions. I will strive try to provide an unbiased view on each side of the debate.
Debate topic: The sg kit buffer
Buffer Info- If you don't know what buffer is, it is a sg kit that gives you the following:
Buffer
/kit bfr
Combat Medic kit
Includes: Regeneration Potion II
Type: Splash
Amount: 2
Medic kit
Includes: Potion of Healing II
Type: Splash
Amount: 2
Berserker kit
Includes: Potion of Strength II
Type: Default
Amount: 1
Sprinter kit
Includes: Potion of Swiftness II
Type: Default
Amount: 1
It is a kit that gives you potions, the most controversial of them all being the strength II potion. Combined with Make it Quick it can produce lethal effects. It has the potential to 1 hit people unless they have very good armor, such as an iron chest plate and iron pants. Many want the kit to be nerfed (made less powerful). But also many want this kit to stay the same.
Here are the Pros and Cons to the debate:
Pros
Cons
- The donations from buying the kit keep the server running each month.
- This kit is the only way to get most potions in sg.
- Increases "thinking outside the box" because people have to come up with strategies to defeat these users.
- Have an idea for the Pro section? Comment Below!
- Constantly getting one hit or two hit may discourage builders or others from coming back or playing sg.
- Buffer causes more people post complains accusing people of hacking.
- Decreases diversity of sg winners.
- Have an idea for the Con section? Comment Below!
Thanks for reading this. Comment your opinions and ideas for additions to this thread below. If you like the thread let me know and I may make these threads on a regular basis.
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I think that is a good idea. Despite the cons (from my poit of view I think that thay are not so bad. 1st) It's a game where you earn money, it can't be easy. 2nd) People is always complaining, although there weren't these potions they would complain too, so xD 3th) Having six potions doesn't assures you to win, there are more factors to take in count.) there is a main reason, making the donator pack more attractive. Without donators there is no server so I'm ok with that xD
(Sorry if my english isn't good enough, i'm from spain I'm sure you'll understand)
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WreckitRalphed The Wise Old ManBuilder ⛰️ Ex-President ⚒️⚒️ Premium Upgrade
Just make it fkin strength I / remove strength from the kit and it solves everything. Done.
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Nerfing or taking away a kit is impossible. Refunding that many people is impossible... Especially when coupons expire and we no longer have the GiftCard method. That's the problem with throwing in new donation features without good, long trial periods from a large group of "testers."
I rarely play SG, but I agree with the con that this kit (and possibly others - combined or not) cause a decrease in [new/variety] users playing SG. This is especially the case with newer users. Which, last I thought, were supposed to be attracted to SG first-thing upon joining the server. It is pretty hard to get into a game when you die instantly, no matter what you do. And indirectly forcing users to donate does not work very well, either.
Because I do not play much SG, I'm "neutral" on the topic of kits. My only real thought about them, as a whole, is that they make SG "pay-to-win." There is skill required to use the kits well, sure... But kits are still needed, or a lot of luck and many, many, many hours of experience playing no-kit SG servers.-
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that its not a one-hit kill as long as they have at least 1 piece of armor on.
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(I've resumed the text) I agree that it may (or must) decrease the variety of users WINNING, I'm a new one and i would play SG even if there were kits, being difficult doesn't mean to be impossible and as you said latter on you need estra skills to win.
As you said having the kit doesn't make you win you need to know how to play SG and having fun so that doesn't force no one to donate. Iǘe played as a moderator in some servers and it isn't easy to make something that all people like so you have to what is better for the server. And this is not forcing to donate.
I totally agree with the last paragraph.
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Kits are to give you an advantage, as well as to keep the server running. The people who don't have it hate it, and the people who do have it love it. Both sides think the other side is biased, and both sides start flame wars/are mean to each other. This is how I look at this situation.
Builders have trouble making money. They are new, most people wont talk to them, and they don't have anything. Once they gather 15k and decide to apply for Resident, they get the ability to make trade signs. Trade signs, if used properly, make lots of income and discourage users to buy from other users (because a sign can't scam, and its quicker). So, the users advertising their products don't make as much.
This closely resembles kits. Kits are almost like a rank. You can take the easy way out and buy it with your own USD, just like you can buy ECD and rankup to resident. or, you can work very hard, make your money, save it properly, and invest in kits by paying someone to buy it with USD for you. Once you get these kits by buying them with ECD/USD you have a better way to make money, just like trade signs to builders.
I hope I didn't offend anyone about anything I am talking about in this reply,
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