Oh ye i do understand about it being a hardcore server so why aren't these users subject to a much more serious ban other than all they have to do is post a tiny appeal and some appeals I have seen have no effort put it but just get let through. this is my opinion I know mods and such have different opinions about the matters. but some people its hard to find anything on them to see if they have ever done anything that might raise suspicions. I will be doing a lot more research now on users after the donation scam that I suffered but like I have said before I don't really stay close to people on the server, other than people I know irl and they are all builders with no clue about the server.
You guys see it in the way of "I get scammed, I get back my money". BUT It's more of this: User is scammed. Proof required. Complaint filed. Log investigation by Andrewkm or Skylexia, two very busy people. Logs are cluttered, so this can take a while depending on how they are organized. Tracking down money.. Reverting transactions. Might I add, this can make more users upset rather than yourself. (lottery, trades) Money added back to your account. Complaint handled. This is easier: Be smart. Right?
This thread: http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion-money-returned-after-being-scammed.68407/ Was posted on monday (we get a LOT of these thread) And in that thread I feel Rev_Worrington said it best:
That's a point I never considered about lottery and trades that happen in the time, I always take what are likely excessive amounts of evidence when doing a loan so that If I get scammed I can get them banned. but I know that with some scams I don't get my money back, If I am not re-payed a loan I have with a user now then I will be filling a complaint soon but I didn't do my research on this user and was stupid when I do this then I agree its my fault I should have gone and looked to see if they have done anything.
As Ryan has put it: This basically means it goes from one person being scammed 100k to 10 people being scammed 10k each to pay back the 1 guy. This just spreads the despair around. Our current system is so much better. The guy who scammed you has to pay you back when he gets unbanned. It doesn't harm the people he traded with, who were innocent, it only harms him.
i agree, i have gotten scammed and lost about 500k that i won in lotto and tried to get donation features with the money! +1
Scams are out there, its a fact of life. Even in real life. most victims of a scam to NOT receive full reimbursement. The real remedy to scams as I have seen posted numerous times, then see the posts afterwards ignoring it completely BE SMART s when shopping for donation features (or anything for that matter) If you have even the SLIGHTEST hint that the transaction will not be made, DONT PAY. Another way, is to ask around, for people whom are trusted. THEY ARE out there..... don't just go with the first mike, joe, or bob who pm's you.
No. Andrewkm warned everyone that buying donations with eco dollors is not suggested and you should buy them with your own money. Plus it is your fault for not checking if the player is trustable or not.
I agree +1! I think this is a great idea! I've been scammed many times, and it sucks. Please make this happen!
Wont happen. Just be smart and you wont get scammed. I make sure to collect screenshots and everything else and I have only been scammed 1k. If you are entering a big deal I would suggest going to the BanAppeals/Complaints section of the forums and searching their name. You will then be able to see if they have had a complaint posted against them. If you see anything for scamming you might want to be cautious about them.
Come on people. Look at this logically. I see a ton of long descriptive posts with a bagillion reasons against this. And then I see someone going "Agreed lets do it." With all the amazing points listed here, I see no reason to list them yet again.
I can understand where you're coming from this, as I've seen this suggestion repeatedly brought to the chopping block. But, while I'd love for ECC'ers to get the money they were scammed out of, it would cause way too many problems within the server, in afraid I can't support this.
This suggestion has been made multiple times and has been denied every time. Andrew has stated 'We do not NOT offer refunds on scams'. I've been scammed over 1 million EcoDollars and I made it back instead of asking Andrew for a refund. Also, remember that many scammers end up appealing their ban and then you get your money back that way.
"be smart" "Investigate who you do business with" Should not be cop-outs. The users have a responsibility to be careful and smart with how and who they do business with. But the admins also have a responsibility to dole out effective and just punishment. 1,3,5 day temp bans do not work, as proven by the list of habitual offenders. I believe that staff need to be more harsh with their punishments or given new more effective tools to exact punishment with. Otherwise, this situation is just going to get worse and good people will go away and through attrition the server will progressively fill up with scummy scammers all trying to scam each other. Good luck with that.
This post is about giving money back, not changing punishments. You can create your own suggestion about that. But as I recall you already did.