Change The Policy!! Sign The Petition!

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  1. PMKasper

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    Suggestion:Change The Policy on scamming refunds so that people that were scammed get thier money back, Use the /eco command,

    Reason:I Was talking with many donators, and they all feel the same way about this.
     
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    I goldwhite agree with this as a signer for this petition
     
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    i agree, i have gotten scammed and lost about 100k from scammers! +1
     
    #3 washingtonc, Sep 7, 2013
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    Ive gotten scammed over 500k so of course i would love this.. but not too sure if Andrew would do it
     
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    I agree with this idea I am sick of getting scammed by users, the only thing that would possibly be an exception is donation scams, as they are not loans but are instead payments so using the eco command would not work but maybe an alternate command would help.

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    Hello,

    This suggestion has come up time and time again. Each time there are many many issues pointed out. 1) Where does the money come from? Is it spawned? 2) What happens to the money in the scammers account? 3) Who would have access to this command?

    Let me answer these questions logically.

    1) In the event the money comes from thin air, IE: Its spawned, then we have new issues. If the money is spawned and not taken out of the scammers balance then you have just doubled that amount in the economy. This causes inflation. Inflation is bad and starts making the actual currency worthless.

    2) If we use the scammers balance then what happens if they already spent the money? Does it go to negative? How does that help the economy?

    3) If you make it only Andrewkm, then only extremely high scams would go to him. It would be like a rollback, if the amount doesn't go high enough it would be rejected. Unlike rollbacks, this would likely cause a lot more angry players when their scam gets rejected. If its Andrew and Sky, it would still be similar. Further, if its GA's+ then I see new problems. I'm not saying it is likely, but, handing the ability to take money out of an account or spawn money to anyone who is still a player (and this includes Skylexia) would be a very large temptation to place on their shoulders.

    4) I don't believe this suggestion will ever happen. It has been suggested for probably 2 years straight and I have never seen it occur. I don't believe Andrewkm would allow it to be honest.


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    Ye its alright saying this but sometimes people just do it out of the blue, I have been scammed recently from a user that had never had a ban filled against them for anything and they have just gone and scammed me. sometimes these things are helpful but scammers can appear from anywhere.
     
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    Everyone on ECC has friends and there are trusted members out there. It would be best to trade with them.
     
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    About point 1

    What about if the command left the users with a negative balance of the amount of the scam?
     
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    I don't really follow or stay friends with people on here, yes there are people that I trust but you have to do loans and such to others on here otherwise you would have no business.
     
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    Negative balance wouldn't do much if someone else has the scammed money..

    It would take too much time and effort to track it down and revert all transactions.
     
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    I just did some research and no one is going to like it who approves of this thread. Here is the first scam refund thread on this forum:

    http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/refunds.19598/

    Here is andrewkm's reply:


    Next here was another thread made much later:

    http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion-a-refund-on-scams.45735/

    and Andrewkm's reply:


    I'll add to this if I find more.
     
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    I suppose but it would be better than ripping off users that try hard within the server. and help users all over the server.
     
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    Well what about smods+ processing them, I know you have a lot to do but it is always an idea?
     
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    Yes, but this is a hardcore economy server.

    You won't just "get your money back".

    Do some research on the person, ask around. Whenever I bought a donation feature, I would ask a few close friends of mine if they have been suspicious.

    I don't think Smods+ would get /eco...
     
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    No. Everyone remember WeWinAgain? He had access to commands that would give money/spawn items etc. So andrew took away his right to be a player.

    I will not give up being a player.
     
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    i think that you should get your money back from scammers i vote chang
     
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    Maybe an alternative to Revanrose6 comments above, You could garnish the scammers accounts, this would help pay for the lost monies of the victims. just a thought.

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