Bring PVP back to the mining world

People rarely use the pvp area provided on Ecc. Theres no need for more pvp. Its an economy server not pvp

 

How about we bring mining to the pvp world instead?

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Always (well sometimes) the voice of reason - I agree!
Thanks for lurking Tans - always (well always) good to hear from you.

 

I would have to disagree with this statement. It defeats the purpose of making the mining world pvp. The fact of the matter is if u want an arena setting you can use the pvp world.

However if you want a real mining/exploring experience it makes sense to have pvp for the mining world.

But really the only reason I support this is because it's unfair the neither (another mining world) has pvp while mining world itself does not.

 

I am sorry @Turtwiginator95 but I cannot understand how you can disagree with this? This suggestion offered a solution for those that do not want to PVP while mining and those that do.
The only reason I can see that you feel that is is not fair is that the mining world with PVP would be just as dead as the current PVP world or is it that there would still be no "easy" killing of our newest players - the ones that have no features yet and have little ways to protect themselves?

 

What that statement is suggesting is to eliminate pvp arenas completely. It's just renaming an already existing world but taking it away. I'll try to explain it simply.

current setup.

Mining world = no pvp

nether = pvp

pvp arenas = pvp

Aether = no pvp

Main world = no pvp

No pvp in a pure building world is fine that's good. However why doesn't the mining world have pvp when nether does? They both are basically the same but with different items to mine but u have to pay ecd to check your back? Makes no sense.

What that other statement is suggesting is this.
mining = no pvp

nether = pvp

pvp arena = pvp (BUT is also mining)

Aether = no pvp

main world = no pvp

That suggestion will only make things needlessly redundant. It makes no sense making 3 mining areas for regular items (main world, mining, and this "new" pvp) it's just extremely redundant. It would be better if andrew just makes a pure pvp world and that's it if that's the direction that's most appealing.

There are 2 places as of now u can get normal items though mining
main world and mining. They both don't have pvp. And by adding mining in the pvp arena u wouldn't only lose an arena for organized pvp but u will add more money into the economy by making a whole new world for people to use to gain money.

In short that suggestion is just making a new mining world with pvp that's it and that's not even needed and will cause way more problems with money flow because of the new resources available.

- this original suggestion will create an equal pvp environment for all the world's people mine in, besides the main world. It just makes it fair. Both mining worlds have pvp and u have an organized arena to boot. That would increase the sales of prot 4 again because armor will become extremely high in demand after that.

This suggestion brings back armor need, pvp, and fairness that's completely win win win.

 

Thank you for this, however, I would like to show an alternative that I believe that @_TANSTAAFL was suggesting as I understand it - I am not speaking for him here:
Green is yours and the red is what I think tans suggested that I agreed with.

Mining world = no pvp

Mining world = pvp

nether = pvp

pvp arenas = pvp

Aether = no pvp

Main world = no pvp

As to your point about increased resources, @Emau said it best in the second post of this thread (which is a great one to read) that the mining worlds could be made smaller to compensate for the economic impact.
In regards to your point about the nether, it is a bonus world not required by new players to be able to earn money or gather resources to build their homes or towns. By the time players pay the nether fee, they generally have at least a donation or two which is why you do not see much killing in the nether and that it is relatively safe - and to be honest, it is relatively dead most of the time.
Lastly, while mining in the main world is of course allowed, it is discouraged from what I have seen in my short time on ECC.
Thank you again for taking the time to show me that and I hope this explains how I view this suggestion.

 

Oh I see what you took from _tans @AdmiralD

but wouldn't making 3 different mining world's still be a little much?

As for your comment about the nether and em's comments as well. You both listed pvp areas and made the proper comments that they are dead which they are.

nether- dead

pvp arena- dead

As for SG I don't know how often your on forums but there is a lot of people angry at kits and are leaving SG because of them.

If (and only if) players want to keep pvp in this server there should be active changes to support this. Also I don't know about u but when I joined this server I had no expectations that mining would would be non-pvp. I know almost ALL new builders didn't expect this either (because I fish next to mining spawn and 7 out of every 10 builders that come into the mining world try to kill me) XD unless all the mining world is pvp no one will pvp anyways so it will stay dead

but of course I'm only half heartedly supportive of this. I would just like to see pvp in all mining worlds or no pvp in any mining worlds hence my continuous references to nether.

Thank you for taking the time to understand my weirdness X)

 

First, I believe that most that know me would vote me the weirdest
Second, we are only talking about 2 mining worlds, not 3 - I believe that one of the main reasons PVP was disabled and builders (I think it used to be Res+) allowed was to save the main world (only legacy at that time) from being decimated and so the main worlds are not really "mining" worlds since they are not reset.
Third, I believe that PVP was disabled sometime in April of 2013, well before you or I joined (going by forum date) and I personally had no expectation of PVP in the mining world - but did know about the nether when I chose to apply for access and waited until I had a couple of donation features to somewhat protect me.
I think I understand now what you are saying and I would agree it would not hurt my feelings if PVP was removed from the Nether but not sure if that would happen. To be honest, with the donation features I have, it would not impact my mining in a PVP world if I had to. I just think that our newest users should not be preyed upon and have all there tools, ores, and experience stolen every time they mine without destroying our main worlds - and I personally don't like PVP much as you can tell by my SG stats
Imagine if you will for a moment you are builder trying to earn money mining to move up in rank and every time you mine 4 or 5 players with the /near feature find you and destroy you. They could do this in seconds if they have pyro+, fly+, water+ even if it was 1 player, it would only take a few minutes.
It is great to have constructive conversation on issues that affect how we play minecraft on ECC!

 

Yes I saw that X) @AdmiralD no creeper but I checked your score before I posted to see if I could appeal to your pvp skills.

When I joined I assumed mining would be survival and that's what it is basically it has mobs, all natural blocks, and is one of the only places to get exp. In my opinion its basically survival mode. I just assume it was changed because older ECC players wanted a safe environment to mine in because any new or well traveled player would tell you ECC is the only place with non-pvp mining areas.

Well, in my opinion I would like to see a change in nether or mining pvp status I don't want to force u to change your mind I just hope I made a convincing argument to anyone who is deciding for themselves which option is best. ^-^

Again what I think.
Pros= Generating more pvp which is dying in our server, Generate the sales of pvp equipment, and provide a more challenging environment for players that use the mining world stopping players with high enchantment items from sucking up all the ores before other builders do, Doesn't open a new world for players to unbalance the economy with a surplus of items.

Cons= Hostile landscape, Donors being op (maybe disabling features like in pvp arena? maybe no.), opens a new world for players to unbalance the economy with a surplus of items.

Of course this is just my personal views on how pvp should be enabled it may be too much for some of the other players.

 

So you would be scared to death of me in a PVP world I assume? I have played SG on two occasions - the first was before the reset when we had the survival bowl (?) and the last event just hosted. The first event I played a little longer as I was able to achieve a spot in the top 50 for a very short time - there was no hope for players like me this last time - too much op now but I still join in to have a little fun while I die I have never killed anyone - yet! - I am a 56 yr old grandfather of 1 3/4 - She is due in August so I will admit it is just hard for me to compete. My passion is not for me - I am pretty well protected - my passion is for the new players just starting out.
You bring out a good point about how even I affect the new players with my eff7 pick and I am not sure how Andrew will compensate for the trouble that seems to lay ahead as more and more star tools are out there - I assume another price increase but I trust whatever he does will be to attempt to level the playing field as much as possible and to keep this server viable.
You state that PVP is dying on this server and I admit I have never even stepped foot in the PVP world, but why if PVP is so much fun does nobody go there? Is mining not allowed there? Why is it dead? I have never figured out why if it so wanted, to just play in the PVP world.
BTW, nice rank you have going for yourself there - I believe that I would be afraid of you

 

This was meant as a joke, like the opposite of this thread's suggestion.

Like, you would be able to break blocks in the pvp arenas...

The thought of being able to place/destroy blocks in pvp seemed fun, but you wouldn't want the arenas destroyed.

 

Well, that is why I did not say I spoke for you. Like I said, I have never personally been in the PVP world, I was just thinking it was a world which you could have PVP and mining enabled like it used to be - did not even think of arenas - I assume it means it is more like the SG Games then. I will now be forced to make the effort to at least enter that "den of sin" world and see for myself what it is all about.

[Edit]
Ok, I have visited the PVP world - this is a beautiful build and it looks like someone has went to a lot of effort to make an interesting place. I don't get it at all. Basically the same as SG but without - well -anything at all. No wonder it is dead.
I am so glad I found ECC so that I can just have a server to support with my donations and let the owner and staff deal with the whys and wherefores of all of this. Can you imagine having to make these decisions? Then it will be kits vs. no kits - Then after a week or two, players like me will have lost every piece of armor and Diamond tools we own (since I assume Iron or stone tools would be just thrown back to us out of pity) and the mining world would become a wasteland and then there would be suggestions that PVP come to the main world - for a while anyway.
This has been an interesting ride that I have thoroughly enjoyed, but my brain hurts now so I will leave it to the experts I support and appreciate to decide the fate of ECC and PVP.
In closing I wish to add = I R PVP Nub to the extreme.

 

No. This is not factions

 

-1 if builders go into the mining world expecting to get money and such, when they are killed they think, "Wow. Can't even make money without being killed" There no

 

Na.. I like mining in peace

 

No.

 

Hehe, I'm new here, on the forums and the server, but not to Minecraft.
If PvP was allowed in the mining world, there would probably just be a bunch of full diamond geared people farming the newer people for their iron and coal, which is usually how it goes down in other servers.
Hilv might be on to something though.

 

I am 100% pvp in the mining world. Builders rely heavily upon the mining world to make money. They work hard, and finally get a maxed pick. Now imagine, if someone in full prot4 and with a sharp5 comes up to them, and kills them using their op gear and huge mcmmo damage boost, and steals their hard earned pick. I personally would be very sad if I lost the only 20k I ever earned. Think about this.

 

hmmm but how can they even find you if you use /wild land or water and just dig strait down ? wouldn't you be able to tell if someone is near you and like teleport away