Accepted [All Main Servers Suggestion] Vanish Deny Flag

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  1. icondigi

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    What part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for:
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    Short title for your suggestion:
    Vanish Deny Flag
    What are you suggesting:
    What I am suggesting is being able to add a flag to your town that does not allow a user to use vanish whilst inside your town, or plot region. This can be in the form of a deny message when a user tries to enter your town in vanish and if the user wants to enter they then have to turn their vanish off to enter.
    Why is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?:
    This is a good addition for EcoCityCraft as it allows users with TC++ to have more options and controls of what flags they can use in their town. Personally, I have experienced many instances when users are stealing from dispenser drops, blocks that you are mining, or standing in-front you while you are fishing because of players hiding in your town with vanish.

    Implementing this will allow users to feel more comfortable and safe in their towns, knowing nobody will be lurking around in vanish. This has been done before when entering SG, or PVP arenas, therefore, I believe it would be possible to add to regions. Additionally, it would create further reasons for users to purchase TownControl++ and assist EcoCityCraft in getting more donation feature purchases from users.
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    Edit: Answers to commonly asked questions in this thread:
    • Removing my vanish feature will violate my privacy.
    • This will only affect vanish users privacy if they are lurking in towns they shouldn't be lurking in.
    • Simply, if a town mayor chooses to have a vanish deny flag for non-members it will only effect vanish users who enter that town in vanish when they shouldn't be in there. If you are not added to the town, and the mayor does not want people lurking or trolling in vanish, the mayor should have the right to set a flag and have more control and security in their town.
    • People with vanish shouldn't get the right to creep around in other people's town. If you are not wanted in that town you shouldn't be allowed to just vanish and continue to lurk around.
    • I paid for vanish so I can play without being bothered by players and messaged, I don't want to enter a town and be taken out of vanish and then players message me.
    • If a users main reason for using vanish is to do their own thing and not be messaged they wouldn't be impacted by this. The only way this would effect you and your ability to vanish is if you stopped what you were doing and entered a users town in vanish.
    • There should be no need for a user to enter a players town that they are not added to in vanish. If you really need to be in this town, and they have a vanish deny flag then the cost is to be un-vanished or to be added to the town.
    • If you are not wanting to be be unvanished, simply don't enter the town and you will remain hidden.
    • If you have an issue with vanish players, simply use a entry deny flag.
    • This is not a fair solution to players with shops, casinos, builds and more. Why should you have to close off your whole town from the public with an entry deny flag when you could simply make it that no users can vanish in your town to eliminate trolling.
    • To implement this, every visitor that ever wanted to visit your town would have to be added or the flag would have to be temporarily removed so they could go in and out.
    • If casino owners don't want other players drops from dispensers stolen by vanish users they should be allowed to set a flag to not let them vanish to stop the trolling. This is also the case with fishing in towns, or mining blocks in towns where vanish users standby and steal the drops.
    • Summary:
    • If you're upset about not being able to vanish in someones town you need to think about why you're vanishing in that town in the first place and if your intentions are good.
    • This has no way to negativly affect vanish users, it simply assists town mayors in limiting trolling and knowing who to ristrict from their towns.
    • Vanish was not created to allow users to troll other users in towns. Whilst the rules say they will be banned and the features will be removed, by the time you alert staff and get them in the area the players are gone. Remove the hassle and trolling and make things much easier for town owners by simpling giving them the option to choose wether or not players can vanish in their town.
    • For the lurkers, this will not be on everything town only a small amount of towns who operate businsses or those who have vaults or games etc. You can continue to lurk in other towns; however, town owners who choose to block this behaviour by purchasing Town Control should have this option.
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    #1 icondigi, Apr 24, 2020
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    Honestly, this could be really interesting, not sure about the feasability but if its possible I definitely think it's a welcome and worthy addition to either the highest town control or even a new feature rank +1
     
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    If even possible +1
     
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    yea i agree with this 100%
     
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    I feel this would be a great addition as well. For the reason's that icon stated it would give the user even more control of one's town and I can see the picking up of block's being annoying especially for casino's. +1
     
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    +1 +1 +1 solves problems, while also allowing those who want to stay vanished, to do so elsewhere.
     
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    Been having problems with this lately, i go to the casino slots and when my book drops someone thats invisible takes it. So +1
     
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    -1 violates my privacy.

    At least make it not allow people in /v to enter. Not just put them out of /v.
     
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  9. icondigi

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    Hi Sharpy,

    That’s basically what I am suggesting, when trying to enter an area with the vanish deny flag on you will receive a message;

    You are not permitted in this area in vanish

    This will not violate your privacy, as it will only take place in towns that do not want you lurking around. If anything, it protects the town mayors/members privacy of not having people vanished in their town.

    If you don’t want your privacy violated then you would just refrain from entering towns that don’t want people in vanish! You will get a warning first and can decide if you want to proceed into the town out of vanish.
     
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    -1 I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time, myself and countless of other users paid money to have this feature. Paying more money to essentially cancel out another feature makes no sense. If you have an issue with vanished users, I would suggest using the entry deny flag or build your operation in a way that prevents the issues you have listed.
     
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    I too have paid money for vanish and love it, but why should you have to close off your whole town with an entry deny flag when you could simply make it that no users can vanish in your town to eliminate trolling.

    I get that you paid for vanish and you want to be able to use it, and you can? All this will do is allow town mayors to have more control over their town and the trolling that goes on within it. I don't see how not being able to enter other peoples town in vanish directly affects vanish users privacy, IMO you only enter another users town in vanish if you don't want them to know you're there, for lurking or for trolling purposes. If a town owner doesn't want people to be able to do that in their town, they should be given the option to refuse entry to players in vanish unless they turn it off.

    As well, the server rules clearly state that: "Any user caught trolling in any way using the investigator supporter feature will have it removed from them immediately and may face a serious ban from the server. Staff can see vanished users and all investigator actions/commands and will act upon any trolling."

    Whilst staff might be able to see other vanished players, by the time you alert staff members, the players leave the area and have already picked up and stolen items from your town (E.G stealing other peoples slots books). Instead of having to constantly alert staff and request for help trying to catch a vanished user, why not give the mayor the option to rule out the problem completely?

    p.s I really appreciate your response and allowing me to explain why this would be a great thing to implement :)
     
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    If that were possible then I'd be up for it. It isn't so I'm not.
     
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    It basically just comes back to lurking. If you’re against this addition you simply enjoy being a little creepy and kinda worries me lol. This isn’t something that would be on 100% of towns. It would most likely just be casinos and a few others. It comes down to if the user wants it on their town then you simply respect it. If you don’t like it then don’t visit the town? Let’s not forget I don’t believe vanish was meant for people to creep but instead for town owners to see what their members are up too if they believe they are acting on suspicious behavior perhaps. Kinda like what mods do when they try to catch SG hackers, x-ray users and what have you. It was basically extended to non mods for these purposes mainly I feel.
    Quoting the wiki exactly for the vanish section:


    /vanish -or- /v
    • Ability to vanish from not only in-game but the tab display as well. You will be completely invisible from all players and you will be able to investigate your problems/issues in secret!
     
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    This is 100% correct!! It only affects vanish users privacy if they are lurking in towns that they shouldn’t be lurking in! If you’re not wanted in somebody else’s town, you shouldn’t be allowed to just vanish and continue to lurk around.

    Simply, if a town mayor chooses to have a vanish deny flag on for non-members it will only effect vanish users who enter that town in vanish. If you’re not added to the town, and the mayor doesn’t want you in it, you shouldn’t be allowed to vanish and continue to enter and proceed to troll etc.

    Tl:dr: People with vanish shouldn’t get the right to creep around in other people’s town! This let mayors have more control and security in their town. If you’re upset about not being able to vanish in someone’s town you need to think about why you’re vanishing in that town in the first place and if your intentions are good.
     
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    So I was in agreement with this until I saw United’s response. I paid for Investigator (aka vanish) so I can play ECC without being bothered. Let’s be real, a good majority bought the feature just so they can basically be at peace and not be bothered by ingame msgs (I’ve fallen victim to coming out of vanish and then being messaged right away by someone, and trust me, this is annoying). I also personally wouldn’t notice a chat message stating my vanish was gone if I were to enter one of these towns, leaving my wanting to be alone (just to state again, I’m in vanish just to not be bothered by others) to be compromised. I see why it’s a good suggestion, but I feel like this wouldn’t be a good practical application to the server as (to state one last time), most users use this feature for their own sake and “protection” and this would seriously jeopardize their right to use this feature.

    Plus, from what I know from the users who have vanish (which might I remind everyone is a luxury, expensive feature), almost everyone uses it for good and not anything negative.

    TL;DR
    -1 for practicality
     
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    I personally don’t understand your response, the total amount of people who would end up having this as a flag on their town is like a tiny amount of people. This only “strips your right” to use investigator if you are purposefully trying to enter a town a mayor (who really should have all the rights here) really doesn’t want you to be in. Now I don’t know what you are doing in your free time, but how is it so hard to stay away from towns with this flag, maybe the vanish turning off can be made bigger and more noticeable.
     
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    I wish this was true about people not using this feature for anything negative but unfortunately that is not always the case.

    If a users main reason for using vanish is to do their own thing and not be messaged then they wouldn’t be impacted by this.

    The only way this would impact you and your need to be hidden from the public would be if you stopped doing your own thing and entered into a users town in vanish. There should be no need for you to enter into a users town that you are not added to in vanish, therefore if you really need to be in this town the cost is to be un-vanished or to be added to the town. If you don’t want this to effect your vanish, simply don’t enter the town and you will remain hidden.

    Once you’re aware that a town you’ve entered in doesn’t accept vanished users, you are free to not return and remain in vanish for eternity.

    For the most part, it simply helps assist town owners privacy and more specifically eliminates a whole range of issues.
     
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    Had a little think. Is there a way to get it to show up big on the screen once you've entered the town to tell you you're out of vanish? This would be ideal, as my only worry is not knowing I've been sent out of /v.
     
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    As per this suggestion, they have recently added this to Tab so you can quickly press tab to check if you are vanished or not.

    https://ecocitycraft.com/forum/thre...ion-change-vanish-notification-status.195706/

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    But yes, if it is possible to get a bigger notification that would be helpful; however, in the meantime if its not possible I believe checking tab would be sufficient :)
     
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    Tab is less helpful than a chat message.
     
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