Well i was in sg today and i was in hysterics when i saw people still complaining about kits. Its really sad that people will win a battle and wont realize "hey we got something changed lets allow some time before we press for more change." Instead they think wow look at this we got bfr nerfed now lets keep getting kits nerfed until there are no more kits. I really don't think this is right and i am personally starting to get worried that now there may be no more kits if staff caved (not easily but did cave). So this message is to those higher up in staff asking you to give us the people a straight up answer on what the future will be with kits, cause personally i have no idea whats going on and all of a sudden i see riots in global about now nerfing spy and all kits in general. I have made this thread as a general warning about what happens when one caves or gives in, as the saying goes *this may not be exactly it* You give a child a piece of candy, they take the entire candy bar from you. In this day an age of society lets be honest appeasement doesn't work and has never worked in history. In simpler terms when you give in to someone's demands that just feeds their hunger for change, which will keep growing as the number of demands are met. I could go into much more detail historically when this has happened but do not wish to as i am currently very tierd
I personally agree. Complaining has increased since the nerf, however, I've noticed many people warming up to the change and enjoying SG even more. So, I say wait it out. Remember the Server Owner switch? Look how that panned out. Just give it time, and it'll all work out.
The suggestion to nerf buffer gave points that are quite valid. Buffer was stronger than its original was supposed to be so it was nerfed.
I voted yes, but not just because the people are complaining about Buffer. Most people are now arguing that we should now get rid of all SG kits. I'm not saying that this is my opinion, but not all of the complaining is that Buffer should be reinstated. I don't think we should get rid of all kits (that would make a WHOLE LOT of people angry), but buffer was a little OP. I'll say it now. The people in support of buffer also had their chance to comment and vote on the poll in that suggestion. When I last saw the suggestion it had 75 people vote in favor of nerfing and only 10 in favor of keeping it the same. Honestly, in my opinion, the change wasn't that major. Anyone with a little PVP skill and Buffer can still kick butt in SG. It just takes a little more effort. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes and I don't play SG a lot, but that is my two cents.
again i think your missing the point of this thread. Its not about buffer being nerfed. Its about those that wanted it nerfed are not satisfied with the results
many people are complaining spy is now to op and many people just want kits gone (from what i have seen in global these past 2 fine hours)
Complainers won't always get their way. With spy the way it is now. Your mostly safe for those few minutes, but most SG games last 5+ mins so for at least 2 of those you are just as able to get killed as any other player. Being Invis also makes you very weak.
People are always going to complain about some reason that they get killed for. Buffer is the scapegoat and takes all the blame.
Staff has said countless times that they couldn't change kits for legal reasons. The only reason buffer was changed was because it was being restored to its original state. Unless something on that front changes don't expect any huge changes unless they are 100% warranted (ie. buffer getting restored).
The complaining about kits will never stop... ever. I still think the best solution is to have 1 non-kit sg game for those that just want to play sg to have fun and show off their pvp skills and this seems to never going to happen either. The kitters will complain of course because it takes away from their easy "prey" and easy money. How could they possibly be expected to win if they had to just use their skills?
Kits shouldn't be too overpowering and OP, they should only provide an aid for the user. Thats what I think anyway.
I do agree with you matrix, but i do like the changes. I have now gotten killed by several non kit users because they have lucked out and got diamonds and i think good for them.
my point is that the people are never satisfied, higher staff can remove all the kits they want/ nerf them but until kits are removed entirely people will still complain. *correct my if im wrong @Bashdash100 but what bash is saying is the agree people will just keep complaining or are still complaning
And my point is that those with kits constantly complain just as much. Just mention the words - 1 non kit map and watch how much response from those with kits. Surely to goodness it would not completely destroy the sg market if there were one single map to be able to play sg without having to pay to win. By the way, I do not envy Fizz or the staff at all having to try to balance this absolute mess they are in because of the introduction of kits, although the huge amounts of money they earn from them probably helps a little
