[User Complaint] Joshcraft_ftw

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  1. block_crusher

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    Felon Username:
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    Complaint:
    This user took a loan from me a while back and now refuses to pay the 160k that he owes me.

    I do not have evidence for the total 160k unfortunately but only 139k
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    Hey block, idk what josh is up to as i am banned. But as soon as i am unbanned i have money for josh (200k) that can be used to pay you. Honestly it is more my fault than josh's fault because he wasnt expecting me to get banned. I would assume he was planning on using money from my debt that i owe him to pay you. For all i know he might have the money but i get unbanned next tuesday i think and i have money for josh so he will have the money on tuesday if he doesnt already.
     
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    Hello @block_crusher,

    From the screenshots provided I can only see evidence of you paying @JoshCraft_FTW $3,000ECD. I can also see that @JoshCraft_FTW owes you $139,000ECD, however there is no evidence of a due date of payment shown here.
    @block_crusher is there a due date? If so is it in the form of a contract? An ingame agreement?
    @JoshCraft_FTW can you provide any evidence of a due date for payment being discussed and confirmed?
     
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    There was no official contract or real agreement. this was a lotto giveback. I don't even think I was teamed with him to be honest. he has been mad over the past week or two threatening to post complaints on me. If the mods need to make me pay it I'm alright with that. But in my opinion I owe nothing.
     
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    Thank you for replying @JoshCraft_FTW.
    @block_crusher can you confirm this was a lotto giveback, as I cannot do anything about this if it was, as we don't enforce givebacks from lotto's
     
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    Hi @TaylorBros22 20k of this making 160k was infact a "lotto giveback" however the 139k agreement was not.
    Josh has owed me this money for quite some time and I even have screenshots of him agreeing to pay this money as seen above.

    As I am aware lotto teams are not enforced so @JoshCraft_FTW is not required to pay me the 20k and iss only required to pay me the 139k as agreed to above as payback for the loan that I gave him.

    There was no time set, however I am aware that Josh has hundreds of k in his balance and sportsbook currently.
     
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    1: Please Give Me Timestamps 2: due date 3: is this a joke? its me talking in chat and may not even be directed at you , even if it was , IMO I owe nothing
     
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    I can get timestamps when I get home if they are needed.
    It was directed at me as is seen quite obviously.
     
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    Instead of telling me I owe you money , cant we just let taylor handle or another mod? hmm?
     
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    @block_crusher I qould like to see timestamped screenshots of you paying @JoshCraft_FTW and a screenshot of you and Josh ageeing on a due date for the money to pay back.
     
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    Here is a screenshot that contains timestamps @TaylorBros22
    As I have stated there is no due date for it to be paid back however it has been a month since the agreement was made and Josh seems to have an ample amount of money in his balance and sportsbook bets currently.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Imo block, this almost seeems like you are trying to scam joshcraft. No user in their right mind would take out a 3k loan payback 139k. That just makes no sense to me. So if this doesnt go through honestly josh i would file an attempted scam complaint.
     
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  13. block_crusher

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    The fact was that Josh owed me money previously due to a loan but I had no screenshot evidence so I gave him this loan as reassurance.

    And I'm sorry Msu but I never did ask for your opinion, nor is it needed in this thread.
     
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    @block_crusher the timestamped evidence you have provided only shows you paying a total of $3,000ECD to @JoshCraft_FTW. There is however, evidence of @JoshCraft_FTW agreeing to pay back $139,000ECD to you. As there is no due date that has been agreed on there is insufficient grounds to file a complaint.

    I would like both you @block_crusher and @JoshCraft_FTW to come up with a sensible due date for the $139,000ECD to be paid off.
     
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    Taylor your leaving out the possibility that the entire thing could have been a Lõttø team. I think block should give the mods a time frame where this "supposed loan" occurred and have them do a log dive. To find out what really occurred as I will not sit here and see Josh have to pay this loan back with no evidence at all.
     
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    This is not needed what so ever. It does not help at all. If @JoshCraft_FTW would like something to happen differently he is more than capeable of saying himself.

    There will be no more irrelevant comments on this complaint or warnings will be issued.
     
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    [eDit double post]
     
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    Not arguing here. I'm sure anyone wouldn't like to lose a random 139k out of they're bal. If I'm Forced to pay that's fine , I don't wish to dispute with a mod or block. So I ask for mods to look into this a bit more and if things don't work out for the final decision to be made. I know the mods will do their best and try their hardest on this decision. Best regards - Josh
     
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    Also to add on to that , I would like the mods to look into the logs and make sure this is/isn't in fact , A lotto team.
     
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