This is what I feel ecc did right, and what they did wrong/ could be improved. Here are the things they did right. 1 is most important. 1. You can't buy unbans. Don't you just hate it when people hack or do horrible things and buy the unban? Well on here you can't, meaning when you get banned you can't bribe your way out. 2. Great staff. Staff handle most things in a timely manner, and they are always on. 3. Good, non laggy forums 4. Server isn't laggy and is up almost 100 percent. 5. The right plugins. The plugins are great for this kind of server and the economy is somewhat balanced. And here are the things that they did wrong 1. SG kits. These are extremely op and extremely unfair. If you don't have kits you get slaughtered by invis guys with enchanted swords, or by people with instant health. Hunger games is almost completely pay-to-win. Now I can argue against every point that kit supporters make. A. Everyone can buy them: no not everyone can. Not everyone has the money to buy them. B. but, if you don't have kits, you still have a chance: yes technically you do, but it's so slim it almost never happens, C. But I payed for my kits: couldn't they just give you a coupon for something else in the shop? D. the idea of donating is to give you an advantage: true, but let's be realistic, if there is more then 1 kit user in a game, the person without kits doesn't have a chance. 2. Extreme amount of chances for people who get banned. Really? Does a scammer need more then 5 chances? No. 3. You can appeal off the record to the owner. May I Ask why it isn't public? Everyone should be able to see, because it doesn't doesn't show up in the records. And if the crime is so serios that you have to appeal to the owner, then shouldn't you stay banned. 4. You can't place water even. Really? Why should I play on here if I can go somewhere else and be able to do more. 5. And lastly, a little thing, why don't some people who did all the things to prevent a scam (not buying from people below mayor, collecting proper evidence, seeing if they have previous complaints, Ect. It seems really unfair for someone who followed your procedure but still loses thier money because the person a. Doesn't appeal, or B. Just never pay back. If you ask me, staff should maybe improve upon the server from the cons, and keep up the good work. Feel free to post your own opinions below
Water is a donation feature. You can buy it on the store. As for everything else, I have to agree. Sort of. I fully agree with you about SG kits, I personally am not a great fan of them. I wouldn't say an "extreme" amount of chances, but there are sometimes where users come back and do the same silly thing repeatedly.
No but the point is you have to donate just to place water. I understand lava but not water. That means that unless you donate you can't even make a farm
I agree with you that SG kits are OP even coming from a kit owner. I just think two types of arena should be made. Addressing the water donation feature. I agree it is kinda ridiculous to pay $15 for it, maybe lower it to $10, or even $5? It is because water is a big greifer, and a mass amount of flowing water in one area can cause lag.
I agree with a lot of this, especially the Pros, and I definitely agree with the SG kits as the major con. However, in regard to having to donate for water, this isn't necessarily true. I have $435 of donation features, including Water, and have used less than $100 of my own money. You can buy donation features with ECD's by going through other players who are selling donation features. Though it is expensive, you don't need to donate your own money in order to get these features. There is a legitimate reason why you are required to donate for Water and other features. ECC is an economy server, and a key part of an economy is supply and demand. In order for there to be an actual economy there has to be suppliers and consumers. If everyone had water, lava, tp, etc., there would be no reason for an economy because everyone already has these features. Requiring you to donate for these features can be a pain, but it is the reason why the economy works. Anyway, if you ever need water PM me, I do all donation services for free and I'd be happy to help you out . Hope you stick around!
For years I have tried to explain this to users in a logical manner, thank you for finally giving a legitimate reason
Read the underlined words. If you want economy, don't give him free water placements! That defeats the purpose! Yes, you're being nice and all, but you're undermining the whole idea of the economy.
IMO I place free water for all players. Even though I paid for this I would still offer free placements of water and also tps. Just because its economy does not mean everyone has to pay you for a usage/placement of special features that you need to pay for. To anyone else that offers free services that are donations for free, I tip my hat to you all. It only takes a few nice people to do donation features for free
Economy is not just about one person. Sometimes, giving away is the best way to keep the economy balanced. Lets say, they made a 9000 usd feature that allows for world edit. Lets say 1 guy has it, and charges 20000 for a 200x200 flat. Money flow in this circumstance is a one way street. Keeping money going back and forth, is a key concept in a balanced economy.
In all economies there is charity, usually driven by well-meaning reformers. Have you ever heard of the Gospel of Wealth? It was a theory promoted by Andrew Carnegie stating that philanthropy was a responsibility of the self-made rich in order to subdue economic inequality. Not that I'm a big fan of Carnegie, but I think he hit the nail on the head with this one. To simplify the rant, charity doesn't ruin an economy, it builds it up. So I don't think giving free donation services is wrong.
Agreed. And, is it really that bad to give away free services? Shouldn't we be encouraging generosity and kindness?
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And there you have it in the correct context. Every player has the capability to being an 'individual contributor' to ECC. Not every one has access to real world disposable income, however the server supports access to features and growth between ranks by having a versatile system. One must remember this is a game - trying to draw parallels with the real world would result in failure of the game system. Anyway do we really want real life politics and dynamics pulling the strings on ECC? Think not! As mentioned before there are players who are willing to assist others without access to certain features, this is a "positive" experience for those who are helped, they will not become leaches to the community, but will carry the positivity in their future actions on the server, and in many cases repay these actions by 'paying it forward', meaning that when they can, they to will assist another player in some or other manner. Now for the negativity - Yes this is a public domain, visited by all types and that unfortunately includes those who walk amongst us who are by nature critical in all aspects, selfish, opinionated based on limited view points and sometimes just born and raised nasty and anti-social. Whilst these people provide discussion material, in short society would be better off without them. Now back to the server, generally ECC must have the mix of enough things done right for it to have survived to date, as in the world of Minecraft, a loyal fan base for this number of years is rare. Yes there are some who are unhappy or push for some change or the other but no system has yet been developed within a social context that can keep everyone happy, all the time. In closing I find it fascinating the number of 'lost souls' who claim to have quit being active ingame but remain quite vocal on the forums, can their agendas be perceived as positive, motivating and valued contributors to ECC, or are they just the occasional dose of negativity that the community occasionally gets injected with and such 'contributions' be taken with a pinch of salt?
You got it all wrong, Just because it is an economy server doesn't mean everything costs money. In some capitalist countries, the government provides services to people for free, and also charities do too. Also, using the term economy is just too broad of a term.
Upon appealing, they will be required to pay back if they want to remain on the server. B never/will rarely happen. And the steps aren't to prevent from everything. Heck, a half to 3/4 of all scamming complaints are just people who failed to pay back loans, or payment plans. Rarely is it even intentional, on purpose scamming. Honestly, losing your money and risk is all a part of a capitalist economy. Hard blows happen but it is so much more fulfilling to know you overcame it then to constantly complain about on how economy, where a lot of things are out of your control, didn't go your way.
Thank you for attacking me and the right wing. Because the entire media is run be left wingers, who ignorantly label everyone. But ok.
ever heard of Rupert Murdoch? he controls the right wing media and owns fox new and most new companies in Australia, the entire media not controlled by the left or right
Who watches Fox again? No one... Oh, have you ever heard of CNN, NBC, or ABC? Yeah, all those left wing media sources that is watched by the majority of the population. Left wing ideology is consistently prevalent in the United States, and around the world each day. Kids go to school to be absorbed by left wing culture via the left wing teachers (mostly), TV shows are mainly left wing. The Nightly News is left wing. It's all there, there's no denying it. Nice try though. I'm leaving this thread to prevent further flaming.
Because we are totally talking about political issues here. It's the internet, and sadly, the internet is a place of name-calling and labeling. Also, I'm pretty sure Sharky was not pointing at the supposed "right wing". He is saying (from my interpretation) that there are trolls, bigots, and whatever you want to say on the internet that ruin the experience for the rest of us, and if they were gone, we would be better off. None of it is political.
