[Suggestion] Victims need more rights and power against scammer during unban given time.

Minecraft Name: lurkblader

Suggestion: Add a new few laws that's officially giving some rights and power to victims, against scammer, during the time when scammer's are unbanned but still has to pay back debt that he scammed.

This new rule is about situation when scammer can't pay back the money to victim because he simply doesn't have it, after he used all of them somehow(usually lotto). In those cases, when staff confirms that he really doesn't have money, usually staff gives certain amount of time to let him make money. And during those time, I think some new laws should be added that's giving victim more power on how they are giving pressure on scammer. My ideas are below.

1. Victim has 100% right to track on scammer's current balance, during the unbanning given time. It can either be done by asking staff, or give access for "/bal <scammer's name>" just for period of time.

2. Victim has power to make scammer unable to play lotto forcefully by the system, during the unbanning given time. This is to stop the scammer's gambling addiction and make them feel suffer for what they have done, since scam happens a lot because of lotto issue. And also let him not lose money so he can make steady money to successfully payback.

3. After victim confirms that scammer has enough money to payback, and if victim himself is the only person that scammer has to payback(which means this scammer didn't scam multiple people), then victim can give demand request to staff, to make victim pay back the money "RIGHT NOW", not let scammer waits until, the very ending due-date of given time.

4. If the amount of money is too large, staff should give "step by step" plan, not like only giving "You have 3 months to pay back total 1 million debt". And also staff shouldn't just give one due-date and let scammer be totally free on whatever they do until the due-date. Staff must give multiple due-dates on breaking the debts to step by step. For example "You should pay victim A 100k for every week, for total 10 weeks, and if you(scammer) fails to pay back on due-date of every week, victim has full right to post another complaint post to make him temp-bann again, to give pressure on scammer."

5. If victims are more than one, staff should seperate the money to ratio. Like if Scammer scammed total 1 million from two people "victim A"(400k), and "victim B"(600k), then scammer must pay 40k to "victim A" and 60k to "victim B" every weeks for 10 weeks total. And ofcourse tell them to make sure they take screenshots of all transaction.

Reason: I got experience of having two scammers who scammed me, and scammers got free extra unbanned time to make money to payback. And after I had few conversation with that scammer during the time, it was sooooooo difficult and hard to make them payback the money. They don't think that given time as reflecting time, but more like free extra time. And the thing is, as victim who cares about money, it's so nervous that scammer might quit again by boringness of making money for debt, because if he really quits again, no money is going to be returned.

After I had experience on having conversation trying to persuade scammer to make me pay as early as possible, I felt like something was backward, that whole conversation was like I am the one who is keep asking and begging, and he is the one who holds a key... Ofcourse I was little bit lowering myself to convince him to payback earlier than other victims, becuase I was keep tracking on his /seen activity, and he was at one point gone for more than like 10~15 days. But still it was aweful feeling that I had to do that when he is the one who should lower himself to me for justice.

And even on 2nd scammer, all he had to do is pay back the money, but he lied that he doesn't have it, and he actually spent money on lotto, right in the middle of the pm conversation to mock me for fun, to intentionally make me piss off. And do you know why this is happening? Because there is no real "pressure" to them. That's why scammer is actually thinking those extra given time as "free-enjoying" time, not reflecting time. Actually, it's the time that's given for only one purpose, let him make money to successfully payback, but those scammers who has really low level mind, they don't ever think like that. It's time to give scammer a "pressure" to make them feel like this is not time to fool around or mock the victims freely.

This is why those new powers and rights should be given to victims against scammer, especially those cases that scale of money is too big(like more than 500k~600k), and time that's being given is too long(like more than 1~2 months).


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For lotto thing, well I can see if it's not going to happen even if it has been suggested dozen(x10) times, lol I guess it's pointless of saying more about that. But what you said about
"the lotto thing, has a higher risk of driving a person off the server and therefore reducing the chance to get anything back."
I don't agree on that, cuz since lotto is the one that can put player into more danger on losing the money that they have earned for debt payback, that risk is more high that should be concerned. Humans usually can be extremely irresponsible to himself on clearing their own debts, when they are addicted to gamble, and if that gamble goes wrong. Especially if they scammed impulsively because of lotto fail, we need more strict regulation on not permitting them to touch lotto, during unban given time. I am not denying completely on point what you said, but what i am just saying is if there is downside, there is goodside, and my opinion is that, goodside and good effect will be more huge than "downside" which you pointed out.

And also for the other things, I have seen many cases that staffs are not making "step by step" plan when they are making final judgement and locking the complaint post. As you said, I know staffs do that when it's necessary, but what I am suggesting is, to make it as mandatory rule on it on making final decision and judgement for staffs, if the size of money is bigger than certain amount that rule stated (for example more than 500k, breaking steps to 5times, more than 1million, breaking to 10 times.). And also, I personally think this "privacy" you are talking doesn't need to be protected for these convicted criminal who harmed others financially. If scammer's privacy is that important, how come you are not thinking of victim's stress and their rights to know, how progress is being done, to figure out the chance of whether they can get back the money or not?

Ofcourse privacy should be always protected, but those protection should be only given to people who is not harming others. As soon as scammers harms other and breaking law of scam, I personally think victim needs more rights on how they can give pressure on scammer, because making them get back the money is most prior thing, not keeping scammer's privacy. I personally think taking away those privacy of balance status info, should be one of the punishment that scammers should get, and what I am talking right now is that, this is only for victims, not like open to all public. Isn't it basic common sense that victims should be taken care more than felony, when it comes to financial scam conflict? And if you are worried that those kinda "pressure" would give more bad effect on making scammer freak out and lose interest on ECC, I personally think choice on giving scammer pressure or not, should be another victim's choice. Even if we give rights and power, not all victims will do this. Some victim will choose to just keep relax and see how scammers do quitely, if that's their choice. This giving pressure shouldn't be regulated. Let me say it again, victim do needs more power. Current system and law is horrible that's creating so many cases of conversations that this employer-employee relations is "backward" between scammer and victim. Who should be the one who can put their heads up straight, and who should be the one keep asking and begging, and bowing, keep lowering their heads like employee greeting employer, during the debt paying period?. This is ridiculous system right now. I know it can't be 100% successful on getting back the money, but victim surely needs more rights and power when victim choose to give more pressure on scammer, even that action can make the success rate(%) more lower, on getting back the money. Because that's their "choice". I think this is just common sense.

 

I feel thankful to your reply. lol yeah personally most important thing among all those rules that I suggested, is what you said, "Making scammer divide their payment step by step". If you just look up many complaint posts, it's so hard to find staffs made that kinda decision, even though money size is quit large enough to break it by steps. Which means it's only happening in special circumstances which is not enough. This should be mandatory law, that's being stated in ECC WiKi. like 100k per week can be I guess main standard ratio(money : time). And this should be applied for 100% every single scam cases, no exception.

Pressure does require for those scammers, because they just don't realize that they are going to get banned at due-date, cuz most of them are just stupid(already proved from the first place for scamming) or lazy. Like TANS said, most people just goof around until they get banned again. And usually after that scammer post another post which is kinda driving victim crazy that this guy seems like he is just keep getting extra free access time of server. And lot of cases scammers do this strategically, because they are just simply hoping that this victim quits ecc by losing interest. Or get banned by another crime that victim made. This is why we need to apply this "step by step" guidance by staff, on almost every cases if that scam money is higher than certain standard(should be stated on law). So that we can keep make them aware that these free given time is for make up works, not relaxing.