Minecraft Name: will_the_warrior Suggestion: I suggest that staff take a stronger position when it comes to enforcing the forum rules. I feel that when a player breaks a forum rule (most commonly commenting on ban appeals/complaints that do not pertain to them), they should be issued a forum warning on the spot. Staff members asking them to stop commenting or giving them a final warning is not necessary...issue them a forum warning right then and there. Once they have collected three forum warnings, they should be banned from the forums for a certain period of time (maybe 3 days for first offense). Reason: I am personally tired of seeing the same users post over and over on complaints and ban appeals that they have nothing to do with. We are all familiar with the rules and are aware that we are not supposed to comment on them unless we are providing screenshot evidence or have been tagged by a Moderator to answer a question. Staff members should not have to repeatedly comment on complaints and say "Anybody else who comments on this complaint will be issued a forum warning." That seems unnecessary; if users make the choice to comment when they know they shouldn't, they can take the forum warning. If they continue, they will get forum banned and will learn the hard way. Any Other Information: This will also cut down on the massive amount of mini-modding that takes place on complaints and ban appeals. Moderators have their positions for a reason and are well capable of performing their duties. We do not need users commenting on complaints and trying to explain how to properly file the complaint/appeal or what is wrong with it. I understand helping other users, but that is done just as well through forum conversation. The Moderators and directly related parties should be the ONLY users commenting on ban appeals and complaints. If you wish to leave your feedback, do so through the rating system. Otherwise, simply "watch" the thread and leave it up to the Moderators. This will prevent a lot of unneeded flaming and arguments in the section. Users should also be warning for bumping their complaint/appeal, as that is against the forum rules as well. Link To This Plugin: n/a Thank you for reading this suggestion! I welcome your comments/feedback below.
Fair enough. Assuming the length of time forum banned increases after each set of three forum warnings. Editing original post, thanks for the feedback.
I totally feel where you are coming from in this and I completely agree except for 2 things. First, 1 week is a tad too extreme. After 3 warnings in 30 consecutive days you get a 3 day temp ban and I really feel that is sufficient. Second, they have been cracking down on it. Approximately 3-4 weeks ago they started handing out forum warnings and deleting comments, but in the past week they have been quite lax on the warnings and that's probably due to new mods coming on board, learning the system and being a little timid about handing out warnings. I do think it will get better over time, especially once the some of the chronic posters start racking up temp bans, the new mods get some time under their belts and get comfortable reprimanding players publicly. However in all fairness, a new/newer/newish player deserves a verbal warning before straight to official forum warning. Yes, they should have read the rules, but let's be honest, some/most newer players will only read the bare minimum to get by. A verbal warning telling them the rules and then also informing them where the rules are located should done before straight to punishment. Just my two cents.
I can agree with you on the three day temp forum ban. That seems like enough for the first time, assuming it only increases from there. On a side note, I have noticed it getting better in-game, however, I haven't seen as much cracking down on the forums as I think there should be. It has gotten better and staff have started to hand out more forum warnings than before, but still are a little too lenient. For example, take this complaint - all of the users involved are Mayor+ and well know the rules by now. Rather than Oreo reminding them not to comment and warning that future comments will result in warnings, I think he should have issued them forum warnings right there (I know he is not supposed to do that currently, just suggesting that become standard procedure). Those comments were completely unnecessary and those users know better. All that being said, I do agree with you when it comes to new players. If the user is new to EcoCityCraft and a "first time offender," I completely agree with a verbal warning (and most of the new users will stop, as they just didn't know the rule). Thank you very much for your feedback.
or we just go with the 3 day temp ban like always ( I would like a temp ban more then getting banned cause now it takes forever)
We had this http://ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/suggestion-harsher-punishments-for-unneeded-comments.101485/ and I think it was good enough.
I still don't think warnings like this by Oreo are necessary. There is no doubt those comments are off topic and not contributing to the appeal. I don't see why those users were not issued forum warnings on the spot. There is no need for Moderators to give the usual "further comments will result in forum warnings" on every thread. Users will still manage to post before the Moderators give the warning. You should know that if you comment in the ban appeals/complaints section without providing evidence, you WILL be issued a forum warning. I feel the staff are much too shy to give them out. The only way that this problem is ever going to be solved is if the staff members truly crack down and make users learn the hard way. Otherwise users are going to continue to take advantage of the system and the same old same old will continue forever.
I can't comprehend why it is considered malicious to correct a fellow user who happens to be using an improper format for an appeal. I would consider this a non-issue. -1 Obviously, there is a difference between correcting and enforcing. Normal users can educate newer players about the rules, but they can't enforce them. Only staff should be able to enforce.
The Moderators are just as capable of doing so; if other users wish to help, they should start a forum conversation with the fellow user and explain it that way. Often, Moderators provide a bit of an explanation as well when they correct a user that will help them when resolving the issue. Having other users comment just spams up the appeal, as the Moderators will still comment requesting the same thing. I believe it is best to just leave that task up to the them.
Moderators are capable, indeed. And, it may be best to leave it up to them, but that does not mean it is wrong for normal users to help out. I said I did not understand why it is malicious, meaning I don't understand why it is harmful. Normally, when bans and warnings are being discussed we like to prove there is harm reduced by using them. In this case, harm is not done by the user just trying to correct a malformed appeal, so a ban or warning would be disproportional. Also, there is no comprehensible reason to quarantine these corrections to forum conversations. In either case, the user gets the information from a non-staff member. Also, I doubt these corrections, when not in excess, spam up an appeal. Normally, they would consist of one, at most two, postings. This is hardly spam. @will_the_warrior
I understand completely where you're coming from and am not trying to condemn users for helping out. I'm just saying, in the general scope of things, many things that users comment are not helping but rather unnecessary comments. There are a few users that try to help out by correcting formats and such, but in the end, the mods are able to do the same. For all intensive purposes I think it would be best to make a general rule not to comment on ban appeals and complaints. Making it acceptable for users that are "helping" is way too open-ended, as any user can claim they were "helping" in one way or another. To keep things simple and definitive, I think it would be best to just let the Mods do their job and keep user comments off complaints and appeals.
I don't care what they "claim" to be doing, its all about what they actually did. And that is determined by the staff. I agree that unnecessary, meaning malicious, comments should be handled appropriately, but the staff should not use punitive action against people just trying to help out. That is unethical, in every way. As a general rule, all general rules are stupid. Because they can be used to punish innocent people; which is something that a just staff ought never do.
2 years ago there were A LOT more people playing the sever? Why because the rules were not as enforced as they were 2 years ago. Now that rules are Enforced today new builders come in to game and they end up getting banned. that was what I meant Now for forums I feel like what they are doing is fine. My older suggestion was to have the fine chart apply to people posting comments and breaking forum rules but since mods are too lazy they said no. Enforcing rules on forums just might make people never use the forums again like for example "As a general rule, all general rules are stupid. Because they can be used to punish innocent people; which is something that a just staff ought never do." I totally agree
