Allow players to "+1" and "-1" staff applications again. All I see is just staff unnecessarily warning players over a small thing - staff could be doing better things that. Those who argue that it's a way to get serious input must remember that when you ban "+1" they'll just go around saying "+1 nice user" and things like that - Is that input more helpful? No, it's not that much, really. Players "+1" staff applications for a reason, and you can assume that they're "nice" or "mature" users or whatever. If a player actually has serious, valid, relevant, and elaborate input to provide, they'll post it regardless of the rules. It just seems like an unnecessary rule to me.
I could make an argument like that on the suggestions forum. Should we ban "+1" and "-1"? No, absolutely not. As I've said, players don't and won't consistently enforce their opinion either way, even when required to, via my examples stated above. Players only support their opinion with elaborate input when they want to. I don't see how this necessary at all. It just adds extra work for staff.
Based on my observations, this really doesn't cause much more work to be done - it's dealt with simply by replying to the posts/deleting them/forum warning, all things that don't take a lot of time. Then speaking from my personal experience, staff have a lot of downtime, so it's not a huge deal. In regards to the suggestion, I agree with nicit, I know that a lot of people just post '+1 good app', but not everyone does that. We're really seeing more actual feedback.
+1 Why do I have to give support my opinion with evidence? Maybe I just want to show my support/disapproval.
More actual feedback? It seems the same to me. If players really want to provide actual feedback, they will. All this just does is give staff more work (Even if it might be a little, it's still work, lol.). Anyway, many players just want to voice their support/opinion. Even with the rules, they can just say "+1 user fit for staff" - Literally no different than "+1". These rules are ineffective and not needed.
Maybe the rules should require a bit more than that then, as Suburb said, if you want to give your view without bothering to type anything, rate the post.
How do we exactly enforce a "little bit more then" then? What you're just suggesting is an arbitrary system that will lead to complaints a bit "BS deletions" and such. I think we should get rid the rules as a whole regarding +1/-1 responses to staff applications. You can argue the same with suggestions too. Should +1/-1 not be allowed as well? No, because I should be able to voice my opinion simply stating my approval or disapproval. We'll just have players saying "+1 great suggestion" also instead, extremely ineffective like the current staff app rule regarding this things. Also, what if I have negative feedback to a suggestion or a app? There isn't a dislike or disagree rating....
Why? Saying "no" without a rebuttal to the opposing point isn't the best way to go about posting on suggestions... .-.
Well, if we wanted to add disagree ratings to the suggestion forum... then yes, we should. If a player can't support their opinion they should not post on a staff app, because it contributes nothing. If you dislike someone, or don't want them as a staff member, that's fine. However it's meaningless if we have a simple +1 or -1, because WHY matters so much more. If players don't want to post why on a staff app, that's fine, they just shouldn't post. "+1 user fit for staff" isn't technically allowed under the current rules. It's not serious input. It's just trying to get around the rules. If someone wants to provide support or their opinion without actually contributing, we have a plethora of rating options such as "Agree", "Winner", or "potato". Your argument is just that "people will always break this rule, so why enforce it?"; by the same logic, should we not enforce swearing rules because lots of players swear from time to time? If you have nothing to say, don't say anything. This is not a hard concept though I can see how it might be for some.
You know, you can ask someone to explain why, but why should they be forced to? I get the point that you want elaborate input on staff applications, but it seems more like a personal choice - If players want to provide elaborate input, go ahead. But I don't see why you should be forced to provide elaborate input - it's just more of a hassle for players and it wastes staff's time enforcing this. Not to mention, said by former staff members in this thread, feedback has little influence on staff picks either way. Staff already know about the user, it's a matter of time whether they picked or not. Then what constitutes as serious feedback? What we're heading toward is an arbitrary system where players complain about inconsistent deltions, causing more problems than it solves. But, I do have something to say - I just want to voice my support. Sure, I can use ratings, but creative is for well.. creative posts, and potato is meant as a troll rating - there's no dislike rating, lol.
+1 The addition of that rule was plain stupid. If I want to +1 a staff app just to give them my support, then I should be able to do that without being forced to provide a reason. If asked, sure I will give them my reasoning, but I shouldn't be forced to provide reasons to go along with my +1.. Maybe all the reasons I see why a user should be staff have already been posted before. Then a simple +1 would be effective in giving them my support.
+1 Just putting a -1 or a +1 will defiantly not mean as much to the people reading the thread anyway. Do we really need a rule to stop people from posting +1 and -1. I dont think so.
