Suggestion: I am suggesting that the /rn ** command be made available to all players of the server whilst a player is hiding in /v Now: now when doing /rn ** nothing will appear to a normal player because the player is in vanish, and hiding, whilst still being able to talk in g chat. Reasoning: The reason I have decided to post this suggestion is because of basic safety reasons. Players that have hid themselves in /v and have a name that is not their original names are impossible to file a complaint against, as there is no @name to post on the complaints section. I noticed this today, whilst trying to decipher a player that was saying inflammatory names, but never was able to complete the complaint because the player had hidden himself/herself using /v while also having a nickname. This poses an extremely dangerous problem in cases in which a staff member is not present/ busy with other matters/ or afk. For instance, a person using both of those features could say whatever they want without repercussions and without anybody knowing. In addition, its extremely important for me to know who a player is before I report them for something. For instance, if a player is constantly targeting and harassing me, I will either add the information to my ongoing complaint or file another with my new information, as opposed to a player that made a simple mistake, a player I never had a problem with in the past. I find it very dangerous that people can attack other players, yet get away with it because they are a nameless and faceless opponent. In addition, I commonly notice players that have the protection of these two features committing violations of the rules/ and or acting differently than they would if they were under their player name and everybody knew where the chat was coming from. In addition, the staff cannot even comment on who the person is, so I am currently left to hunt for who the person is, which takes time away from my ability to file a complaint, so in my case, the person made an infraction of the rules, and got away with it.
I seriously agree, the rules will be better enforced by this... a scenario would be when a chat offender possessing the requisite features invades the server while there are no staff on, and while in /v, harass other players in a discriminative fashion. I'm not saying the staff won't able to do rollbacks or chat the log, its that normal players would not be able to correctly report this offender, resulting in other unforeseen problems.
>/rn ** >shows list of every user, regardless of whether they're in vanish or not. Let's not. Not being seen in lists is one of the key things that make vanish an attractive feature. Not to mention, even if /rn does show vanished users, there's a chance that they may be in another server, which in that case, /rn is useless. There's also a possibility that the player might be new to the server and not aware of the /rn command. Anyways, as far as /rn evidence goes, I'd rather just not require /rn evidence at all (recommend it, though) and have a log dive be done in those cases instead.
I agree that being invisible is the main attraction for the investigator feature, but boom /nick off and you're invisible under this scenario, it's perfectly easy to be invisible, just don't have a nick on. OR make it so players in /v can't chat, oh wait that would be lame. Log dives are huge pains in the butts in comparison to just making it possible for people to properly collect evidence. This suggestion makes perfect sense and is the most sensible solution. If players in /v can chat in global and pm, and therefore can harass/etc, then they need to be identifiable by those they might be harassing. It's not fair to allow them to hide, talk crap, and be unidentifiable by regular players. This is just makes sense. If people in /v do not have their nick on, then they will be perfectly invisible unless they chat. Everyone wins.
/rn works on everyone. It doesn't matter if they have a nick on or not, /rn will still work on anyone in this case. Even if we allowed /rn to work on everyone, there's a possibility that the user in question is on a different server than the one filing the complaint or that the user filing the complaint is not aware of the /rn command - a log dive would be needed in those cases. Allowing /rn to work on vanish users won't solve problems and will just hurt users with vanish. Claiming that "everyone wins" simply isn't true; many users will still not have sufficient evidence to post their complaints and users will vanish will have lost an attractive aspect of their feature.
When you do /rn ** it lists simply and ONLY those users currently using nicks. I am not suggesting that /rn be altered in any other way. Only the command /rn ** to include vanished players. Vanished players who have utilized /nick off will be as invisible as ever. I have no idea what the user in a different server or the user not knowing /rn has to do with anything as those would be one-offs that yeah, obviously would be handled differently depending on what the heck is going on. This is as simple as User with /v and /nick can /pm or chat and it's fully possible the other user may not be able to identify who that player was and that's a buncha malarkey.
Thank you!! I feel like the server is sometimes skewed in a direction favorable to veteran and wealthy players, allowing them to take advantage of less experienced unfamiliar players, who may not even be familiar with who is talking with them. Interestingly enough, after filing this suggestion, I was trolled by an unknown player who called my name several times, whilst i was completely unaware of who it actually was. And a log dive should not be necessary for things that sometimes turn out to be rather minor, and doing so would be a tremendous wait of time in resources that could easily be preformed by a regular player, giving the very high up staff (only ones who can preform a log dive) time to do whats actually more important, rather than digging through tons of log data. The players who do not have this feature will be at an even greater loss, given they are at the whim of whoever has decided to use their features to ruin another player's experience. In my opinion, I agree with oootopia, if a player has entered vanish mode in an effort to stay hidden, they most likely will not be participating in the general chat, so I don't see an opposing argument. Originally, I was going to make this thread about how giving /v to non staff is often used for sneaky and bad purposes, but i decided to amend that because I felt it important that players have privacy, but that was the only argument I have heard so far supporting the use of v in non-staff players. If somebody claims to want "privacy", they will most likely not be drawing attention to themselves by chatting in the general chat.
I am not sure of the feasibility of that, and I'm pretty sure allowing one variation of that command would take developer resources. But, let's just take all of that out of the picture and assume that this is added; the user in question has paid for both the vanish and the nickname feature. Shouldn't they be able to utilize both features without inconvenience? They paid for it, after all, and many users like to chat anonymously and have some fun. I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so, especially when there's other ways of solving this problem. It's relevant to the suggestion as it shows how this doesn't solve problems. Even if this happens, there will still be cases where this change doesn't help, especially when it involves newer/inexperienced players who are not aware of the /rn command or even users who are just in another server at the time.
Ok to make a better analogy, I will use Mr. Kennedy to explain, as located in your profile picture which states "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich". This is similar to this situation at hand. Essentially, the reason I took it upon myself to do this is because many of the newer players and players, like myself, who do not have the features, in addition to numerous others, are greatly inconvenienced by the fact that abuses can be committed under the guise of a false name thats untraceable by players such as ourselves. The reports section, as it exists now, requires that a complaint needs a player name, and if possible needs the person to be tagged with an @ sign, so I don't see a problem in the complaints section, but rather a problem with this feature, and the great potential for abuse. Just because people purchased this feature, shouldn't give them the right to bend and skew the rules to work in their favor. I definitely recognize the importance of this feature, and if I am fortunate enough, might purchase it in the future, but I believe in my suggestion, and this is the reason its located in the suggestion section, as I am suggesting the current status quo to be changed. Simply stating that this shouldn't be changed because people payed for it is not helpful to the argument at all, as the server reserves the right to change the features to suit the server, and I decided to bring this problem to the attention of the higher ups as it has greatly inconvenienced me and many other players I witnessed the same thing happening to/ discussed this matter with. I added this here not because I am spiteful or jealous of the /v command, but rather because I have witnessed the abuse possible under it, and I believe it can be remediated simply expanding the /rn ** to any player who has decided to make their name different from their in game name.
The solution I can think of is showing people's usernames when hovering over their nicknames in chat. No issues with vanished people.
I think it would be really easy to implement actually because it would be as simple as making going into /v to automatically perform forced /nick off and not require any actual change to the /rn command or /rn ** itself at all. Simply adding a small part to a plug in we already use. Just because there are situations this would not solve doesn't mean there aren't plenty it would solve. Hot damn, emp. That's a good point, people who have paid for features deserve to enjoy those features, but when those features put new players at major disadvantage (namely, not even being able to identify who may be talking to them or harassing them) that needs to be fixed. This is like an even more obvious version of the whole "staff should keep a nick that contains their actual ign because it makes it easier for new players" suggestion. Brand new players don't know about filing log I didn't join that long ago and I will tell you that nicks confused the ever-lovin' heck out of me for a long time. That isn't good for new users. And new users are vital for our server, we shouldn't just cater to the old crowd just cuz they can't have their cake and eat it to. That is, let them chat in vanish with nicks on and with players not having anyway to determine their ign if a mod isn't able to provide it in the moment.
This would also be an extremely acceptable solution as the people in vanish who are not chatting don't apply to the situation at all. @kukelekuuk00 , do you know if something like this is feasible, or even already existent in some sort of plug in? Because I would actually love to see that implemented instead of the annoying /rn command with people's annoying poorly colored nicks! @Empress_Cixi, perhaps you could edit your original post to include that option if you think it would be as excellent as I do?
Yes I think this is a great idea!! But i'm not sure if its as doable as just extending the system already in place, but if that was an option i think that would be highly effective, and even much simpler for some of the newer players not familiar with the whole /rn ** thing. I admit, I was kinda thrown off by the ** at first xD, but now it seems simple enough. So if this idea is possible and doable without killing the admin team, then I would say totally do it, but I don't mind a quick fix of just extending the /rn feature over. But awesome idea, they should totally do this in the future, because it might take a bit of planning.
How about modifying /rn in a way that lists all visible players with /rn **, but reveals hidden players when using the full nickname, e.g., /rn ThreeOneFour? Vanished users who don't talk in chat aren't affected and those who do should be identifiable. I understand that players are supposed to enjoy their bought features. However, it should be common courtesy that you can identify the people you are talking to. For the record - I have /v, but I have never really used it so far.
Ya totally! This also sounds like a great idea! It's also really helpful for me because I don't actually have the feature, so i'm not entirely sure on how it works. But I think that is perfect, that way the ones who don't talk can have their privacy preserved, which they deserve with this feature, I like that your willing to compromise, because it helps both groups of ppl, and makes it a bit more obtainable.
It's possible, but I'm unsure of the capabilities Herochat has, considering ECC uses a custom build. It might have to be customcoded.
That would work as well! All three perfectly great answers. This would be the most absolutely amazing solution, but unfortunately looks like it would be hardest to implement. I'd freaking adore that feature though.
Just make it so /rn evidence isn't required as United as said, it only takes a minute of the SA+'s time to figure out who actually had what nickname as long as the screenshot is timestamped.
But the thing is that I don't know who I'm speaking to. Often, when I take the time to make a report about a person, I take into account who they are, and If they have harassed me in the past. In addition, I'm not even aware how to take a timestamped screenshot :/. Additionally, this is adding yet another thing to the already large plate of things that a server admin is responsible for, where this could easily be done by a moderator, given they are given the name of the person. Another point that I would like to bring up is that of the /ignore feature. In the event that it gets really bad or a person doesn't want to hear the things a person is saying, the /ignore command is not an option, because there is no name to actually ignore.
I mean honestly who did it shouldn't matter to you. Either what someone said actually bothers you or you're just filing a complaint to get someone you don't like in trouble. Searching logs just for someones nickname/who said what literally takes like 15 seconds, which I have no issue doing. Sure it's not perfect but it's easy enough. I also like kuke's suggestion but iirc he's suggested it before and been denied.
