[Suggestion] Hoppers, but with a drawback...

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  1. 12345shane

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    I'm suggesting we add hoppers, but with a drawback so they work differently. As it is right now, hoppers can suck up anything off of the ground. If hoppers are added, I suggest we disable this in order to prevent automation of things such as mob farms and collecting from crop farms.

    I want them to be added but so that they can only suck out of chests and furnaces.

    Why?

    Well, as I'm sure most of you know by now, cooking pots were disabled. This was added due to lag, and so a smelt command was added in their place. If hoppers were added, it would be much easier to smelt items as you could fill a chest and the hoppers would suck everything out, put them in furnaces, smelt them, and put them into normal chests, substituting for cooking pots.

    My suggestion is that hoppers are added so that only ExtCreations++ owners can place them. This means that they would substitute for cooking pots, and possibly without the lag because I'm not sure how much they lag compared to cooking pots. It would be something else for ExtCreations++, and ExtCreations+ owners would still have /smelt.

    I'd enjoy any feedback, and I would appreciate if you could not simply +1 or -1, but have an explanation for why you did so. Comments/questions/concerns are welcome!
     
    #1 12345shane, Apr 9, 2015
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    Imagine the issues with locked chests.... Oh and I forgot about the lag
     
    #2 Vintage_Gamer, Apr 9, 2015
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    I honestly have never really used hoppers so I don't know how much lag they produce.
    Locked chests though... maybe you have to lock a hopper and only if the same person locked both the hopper and the chest it would work? I'm not too understanding of plugins and coding, so I have no idea how difficult something that that could be to implement.
     
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    Hoppers cause crazy amounts lag, and duplication problems especially on servers.
     
    #4 Vintage_Gamer, Apr 10, 2015
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    the only dupe glitch for hoppers you need pistons for and we dont have them
     
    #5 jwpwns, Apr 10, 2015
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    This seems rather redundant, if someone has ExtCreations++ they can smelt with no cool down, getting rid of the need to use furnaces and hoppers.
     
    #6 Winnazzz, Apr 10, 2015
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    Sounds like a great suggestion.

    I'm sure that there would be no problem with locked chests and hoppers, but if there was, the plugin could be easily edited.

    As for the lag, maybe we could put a limit on how many hoppers can be placed in a chunk? Idk how you would make a plugin that limits this without causing immense lag.. Maybe when a user attempts to place a hopper it does a quick chunk check? Just a thought.
     
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    Right, but not for users without ext.creations++. Paying someone to /smelt for you costs a lot.
     
    #8 miner1975, Apr 10, 2015
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    When we tested this (back when they were first added to mc) there were duplication bugs, we were unable to stop then from pulling from locked chests, and they caused too much lag. As far as I know, these have not been fixed, therefore -1.
     
    #9 clou44, Apr 11, 2015
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    fair enough
     
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    Weird. I tested this a while back on a different server (sorry for saying) and it didnt suck from locked chests that werent mine. Worked fine with my own ones...
     
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    I fully agree with clou.

    1. Locked chests that belong to somebody else.
    2. Lag. (Hoppers themselves might already require much checking. If we tried to solve point 1, it would require additional checks resulting in additional server load.)
    3. Dupes. Since hoppers have been introduced I have been able to find multiple exploits with them, most still work to this day and would require additional coding to fix them.

    -314.
     
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    It depends on which plugin they use for locking, I expect.
     
    #13 clou44, Apr 11, 2015
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    it seemed like lwc to me, or similar atleast.
     
    #14 stoler202, Apr 11, 2015
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    I would say +1 but at the same time -1...

    -1 for stealing from locked chests.

    +1 for auto smelters, but only if it could be used by every one.
     
    #15 legotom001, Apr 11, 2015
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    That would defeat the purpose.
     
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    How would that defeat the purpose?
     
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    The purpose of this is to replace cooking pots. Yes, they could be used by everyone, but just like cooking pots they could only be placed by people with ExtCreations+
     
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    I would expect that these would cause just as much as, if not more than, lag when compared to cookpots.
     
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    I'm going to be straightforward here and say I just made this up and suggested it right away
    - I've never really used hoppers, only known how they worked
    - I have no idea how much lag they create
    - I have never attempted or heard of any dupe bugs with hoppers

    As I have been educated, this was a good idea in theory but with the lag, locked chest exploits and duplication bugs this will never happen.
    Staff member please lock.
    @Mission001 @KMaxwell
     
    #20 12345shane, Apr 11, 2015
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