Minecraft Name: Siepherimcraft Suggestion: The ability for Mayors / Presidents to be able to view broken, stolen, replaced and griefed items/block Id's within their towns. Even if it's a Donator Feature. Reason: To limit the amount of time required to investigate griefings. To help us investigate and find out if a grief or past griefs are related. To safely remove griefers from our towns, before more damage can be inflicted and/or data wipes delete the evidence. Any Other Information: As a very active President I usually form close relationships with my members. A grief in my town is a grief against a friend. There are times when a grief has happened in more than one area and I'm scrambling to figure out what's happened, all the coords, what's missing... to file multiple reports. Sometimes the grief isn't serious enough to warrant having a mod go through the trouble of investigating it. Often times I come across a griefer that griefs something really small, but returns to do similar damage later in time. Ignoring the first couple grieifings, I lost much evidence against him and when it's time to file the report it's not taken seriously. Now please understand I am not in anyway asking for the ability to temp ban or ban users of this server. All Grief reports will still include all the evidence that it asks for, only now we can add additional information like "who actually did it" so that the mods can double check the ID. This will allow me to better determine if the grief was severe enough to file the report, remove the member or leave them with a warning in a more timely manner. Please consider this suggestion as in my opinion it will make running a town/nation far more efficient. Towns should be a safe place from grief outside the wild. I don't know if giving this feature causes lag/issues/whatever as I have no experience operating servers or with programming. If it's a feature that can be abused, though I don't see how finding out who altered/destroyed something in your own town can be a problem, please consider making it a donation feature to limit the abuse. Remove it from the exploiters. Thanks.
Sounds like a great and very useful idea ! If this eventually comes into ecc that would be amazing and very helpful way to remove griefers.
Sounds like a good idea to me, but how exactly would it work? i know how logblock works (sort of) but how would people outside of the server view it?
@Jkloring. The information collected with the IdBlock command can be screenshot'ed and posted as evidence on the grief reports. Also for confirmation, mods can still go and investigate to determine if a rollback/ban is warranted.
What about a sub region in the town? The owner of the town can set up a cuboid region for each persons plot. Then no one can grief each other/town itself. Example would be Main region: Spawn area, Sub-regions: Spawn Shops. So parent region YourTown, child region of town: playershouse. Just an idea.
@pnygren although I'd love that idea, Andrewkm (I believe) is the only one that deals with permission like that. Not even supermods can assign protections (that I know of.) That sounds more difficult to implement than something that's already in game and available to other players (mods) other than just the owner. If you make another suggestion, I'd support that. but it's different than what I propose.
I do think this feature would help a lot, i mean as a co-mayor(yes i am a co-mayor to be siepherimcraft but this doesn't make me bias) i do see a decent amount of minor griefs in towns that's not worth having a mod of the server come to check it out, and then when a big grief happens, its hard to manage who the griefer was and remove be able to remove him from the town to prevent more damage. Will i haven't ran a server my self since beta 1.6, but from what i remember, a donator feature to read block ids if already installed would be easy to implement.
I really would like to see this feature added in if possible. This would take stress off of staff and allow mayors+ to manage griefing much quicker to avoid any additional grief. +1 to this idea.
It's up to Mayors/Presidents to know who they really add to their town. :b Giving Mayors/Presidents or a donator the ability to check grief would cause issues. I may be wrong, but I can kind of see constant block checking to cause lag, considering how much text from logs has to come up with just one click. It would also cause more drama between users. Having grief reports made keeps everything public and saved, so someone can go and look if they were caught in something wrong, what it was, when it happened, and what happened to them. (Same goes for LWC, Ban Appeals, Complaints, etc.) Imagine suddenly being removed from a town and not knowing why. Sometimes people get kicked from towns for inactivity, player harassment, stalking, grief, not paying a rent, building one block too far out of their plot, etc. Sometimes there are multiple felonies, and people like to know what the reason exactly was for being kicked out. A lot of our users are only about 10 or so... Sometimes they don't understand right from wrong in MC. Also, having it on the forum helps the Staff. When a complaint arises (there would be a lot more if Mayors/Presidents could check blocks, and more help thread spam), it really helps us to have logs and information to look for on the forums. That's why we do not check anything by request in-game, and have you make a thread. I am on the other side (able to check grief and such), but before I was added back to staff, I wanted to always know things were checked correctly, server wouldn't have issues with many users having logs and "spamming" with them, and to have it "on file" for later. Helped me ay time I needed a reminder of who had griefed me in the past, and what exactly happened to them. xP
Thanks for posting on my suggestion Moofink. I wasn't aware that a Block ID checking caused Lots of Text in the logs, ty for clearing that up. I have a different opinion regarding the drama between users. The grief reports will still exist for a huge majority of the grieving because we would not have access to temp bans, perm bans and rollbacks and I'd assume the average user would want justice. So records will be maintained and available to the public. If a Mayor, for instance using your example, kicked a player for inactivity, player harassment, stalking, grief, not paying a rent, building one block too far out of their plot, etc. that still doesn't guarantee the Mayor will explain to the user the offence / file a report about it if they remove that member from town. It depends on the severity on the problem. Most of those issues are plain to see because inactivity, placing blocks out of plot boundries, rent and harassment can be seen. Being "blind" when a player causes intentional damage to someone else's property isn't a good feeling. Grieving doesn't happen "THAT" often if you take some care in recruitment, so I don't think the spamming of block Id's by a single user constantly would be a huge problem. Making it a Donation feature insures that you do not abuse it because it will be removed from you, like any other donation ability. Ignorance is no excuse to break the law. 10 year old children have plenty of access to review the rules. If a younger/less experienced player grieves should it not be caught early before they cause more destruction in the future? If it's a major grief, it's going to get a Grief report and the mods will deal with it just the same. Again being able to examine the grief myself I'd see if small incidents are related/linked to the same person. Towns should be a safe for everyone.
Even if the reason for being kicked from a town is obvious, people are amazing when it comes to thinking up things to complain and whine about... It scares me sometimes. lol I know the grief reports will still exist, I'm not as worried about that. My major worry is the drama it can cause when many people are able to see who placed/destroyed what. Even the SuperMods have trouble figuring out who the real griefer is sometimes, so tons of other users trying to check grief will just cause issues. People will accuse the wrong people, remove the wrong people, say bad things about them in global, everyone starts causing drama over it.. Many times it will end up being a huge mess over one person who probably did nothing wrong. They may have actually been ficing the grief, or they could have been hired to build what was griefed, helped to build it with a friend, could live there with a friend hey know IRL and they were told to do it (even if it looks like grief), etc. Most grief reports I check will come up with a whole chat screen of text for just one block/click, and I usually end up checking more than 5 blocks - often around 20 or more. Some only come up with one or two things, but in towns with lots of players, it's usually a mess of text. It tells you a lot of information, and practically generates a list of all that happened in that block spot in the form of a text wall/paragraph. I can't imagine the strain it would put on the server if people were doing it all the time - constantly requiring pulled information from block logs seems like a lot. Even just when I check grief alone, bigger results lag and take a few seconds to pop up. Though it is true about 10 y/os being able to read the rules and other information, they may not fully understand. Teaching of proper GUM isn't that great nowadays, and literature in-general is a lot of peoples weakest points. I can understand everyone here wanting to be able to check grief on their own, but I really can't see it helping us much. It may help you, which would be nice, but for us it will at some point (maybe not right away) be a mess that we have to sort out between players complaining at each other. I'm sure that some of the SuperMods (and SeniorMods in the long past) got some dislike from even checking griefs correctly. Just recently I was nearly harassed for checking a grief correctly, and I hadn't even given the user a punishment. I'd hate to see many players checking grief only to get lots of people harassing them and being general pests. :/
As this seems like a good idea it in the long run as Moofin k has pointed out it can and will cause a lot of angst. This really is a power suited to supermods and above. As was stated, know who you are allowing access to your town.. If you don't care great! Be ready for a lot of grief reports. If you're smart like ike then you'll only allow mayors+ and even then its a tough sell. We do a lot of things for the efficiency of the server. The more "perks" you add for general users the more "lag" that can be produced. Hence why town greatings etc.. were recently removed.
