Minecraft Name: Jason1964 Suggestion: I believe that if someone is caught and banned for something such as grief, the town mayor should have the ability to decided if they want to "press charges" or not. Allowing or not if the person should be punished for the grief. Reason: Recently I've had a bit of trouble with this. I won't say any names, and I'm not out to point fingers at people. But recently while I was offline a friend of mine had someone get on his account and grief a town I take care of. The next day I went to go to his appeal and post saying that I did not want to press charges. Unfortunately I didn't get the appeal in time, and a staff member filed it. I talked to this staff member and asked if they could drop the temp ban. They asked a higher ranked staff member and it was denied. I believe that when someone breaks a rule affecting a singular person, that person should have the choice of whether or not the offender should be punished normally, or not punished at all. Without word from the person, staff would go ahead normally and punish the person, but if the person comes in and says, I'm dropping charges, then that person should be let off. Whether with a warning or a shortened punishment. Any Other Information: Now the higher ranking staff member had some good points. That person has broken the rules, and shouldn't be let free. But by punishing someone when the person effected doesn't care if they broke the rule, punishing them would be like punishing someone for something they didn't do. Now of course, some charges would not be able to be dropped. If someone used xray to break your spawner, you can't just go "I'm not gonna press charges." Since that rule is so big. But for rules such as, griefing, pm swearing, scamming, ect, things that are small and only effect one person, that person should have the right to drop charges. But big things, like xray, illegal clients, and hacking shouldn't be able to be dropped. Just like you can cancel complaints you've made, you should be able to cancel things like this. Link To This Plugin: No plugin, this just needs some discussion.
Usually if you mention in the grief report that you don't want us to take action, we won't. A lot of times people are just curious and want to remove the member, but not have them banned.
Yes but in the situation I had, someone in-game called a staff member in, and the person got banned there. I was never consulted or never filed any complaints or grief reports. And I was refused the right to "drop charges" on the person. I think the person effected should have that right.
I think it may be rather important to a small segment of the population. But from my experience, more often then not, people want punishment to be doled out. I think Ryan said it best, if you don't want action taken, file a grief report and specifically ask that action NOT be taken. The moderators can't be expected to chase down every mayor to ask them if they want to press charges when an infraction is brought to their attention. If you do not want action taken, you should take proactive action to prevent punishment from happening.
Gotta read the whole thing But this isn't just grief reports, it's the situation of, someone in-game reports the grief, the greifer gets a temp ban. You come forward later and ask that the ban be dropped.
I'm fairly sure that the ingame /command can be reversed. And besides, they wouldn't need to have a temp ban if the rule they broke against someone was dropped.
Thing with this is that it adds more workload to the already - sometimes, anyway - large workload. As others have said, mention in your grief reports who you would like to not be considered for temp bans/bans. Even if you have no idea who could have done the grief, note anyone who you know did not grief, you would not want punished, etc. Even though I like the idea of this suggestion, I still go back to my first sentence. However, I would also like to add that it can leave threads sitting and waiting for responses (like ban appeals / complaints asking for more information); these could get pushed down, forgotten, and even waited on longer due to also waiting for the Staff member to come back.
If someone does a minor single block grief I tend to hire an investigator and kick the felon. In your example Jason, you could have had specified you wanted to either simply know who it was or for the staff member to consult you before banning the person, the staff have enough on their plate without having to un-ban people because others want to "drop charges".
People keep talking about grief reports. This is not just about grief reports. This is when: 1. PlayerA gets banned. 2. PlayerB doesn't want that to happen since PlayerA broke a rule against PlayerB. 3.PlayerB tells ModA 4.ModA unbans/shortens PlayerA's punishment. 5. PlayerB never asked ModA to ban PlayerA. Anyway, I know how every time one of these suggestions comes up that "staff have tons of work, staff don't need more work". But all I know is, every time staff apps open, we get like 3 pages of them. That's a lot of people. Yes, of course, not everyone is good for the job, but out of a few dozen people, you can just hire more. I hire an investigator every time, unless I want the person punished. In my example, I woke up in the morning, did /seen, and had no idea what was going on. So i search around, see his ban appeal, and realize what happened. In my situation, someone got onto his account. I knew, since I trusted this player, that he was telling the truth. I never wanted the said person punished, because I needed to talk with them, and the punishment would have taken them away for the whole day. Also, I know staff are busy, but there are tons of them, you can hire more, and when it comes to important things such as the law, time needs to be made.
No offense to OP but this feels like a tempest in a tea cup... >.< Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
From what I understand it was another member of the town that called for Moderator assistance. This is permitted, as any resident of any town can file a grief report (though only the town Mayor can ask for a rollback). Griefing is not permitted, and another resident of the town might not know your wishes on not wanting a certain person to be banned, even when they have broken a rule. So, in the case of griefing where the staff are called to assist, if severe enough and with no other information mentioned about only wanting to know who it was, etc, we will ban the offender and it is up to the offender to file an appeal if they wish to come back to ECC. For a first offence, generally, a short temp ban is issued with instructions to read the rules again. Temp bans cannot be appealed.
The person who called for help (from what I could collect) was someone I had hired to build a few buildings. At the time yes, they had town perms. I completely understand what you've mentioned in your post. The person was not appealing for a ban against grief. I was telling staff that I didn't want them to get banned for grief, and the staff wouldn't drop/shorten the ban. When I talked to the staff member who handled the appeal, he said that if I had posted before he handled the complaint, "things might have turned out differently."
Hello, I don't think this issue is about staff work load or anything like that. Personally, I feel that if we start shortening tempbans for any reason whatsoever we will have tons of players trying to shorten their tempban. If you give an inch they will try to take a mile. We have to be strict on these types of things or players will find a way around it. I'm not saying that your friend was lying, but, not every person has their account hacked and generally speaking, 90% of griefers claim that is what happened. We generally take the victim's opinion into account prior to judgement being made, but, once a supermod+ has made a decision on an appeal, the staff team is not in the habit of reversing that unless it was the wrong call for a very serious reason. ie: They break protocol. We do have protocol for more serious issues and standards and such for others. One of our main protocols is that once a tempban is issued it is not to be shortened. It may be lengthened in the event new issues arise or other reasons, but generally speaking, we just request that all players accept their tempbans with grace. Revanrose6
The players themselves can do zero to shorten their tempban. Only on the circumstances that they did something effecting one person, such as grief, and that person effected decided to drop charges. The banned person can do nothing and won't be given an inch. I can understand that protocol, but in this light I think it needs a change.
